Subject: Re: looking for examples/demos on timbre and rhythm From: Kevin Austin <kevin.austin@xxxxxxxx> Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 14:44:20 -0500 List-Archive:<http://lists.mcgill.ca/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=AUDITORY>--Boundary_(ID_BAnee5wJXMl/Qxow9krJng) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hi Steve I'm not completely clear on what you might be looking for, but would = these examples be pointing in the right direction: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DdFGvNxBqYFI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DSjK7iG_5hIU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D9kpcr2-Pzbo My reading of your question[s] is a study of what I call the first = principle of ASA, segmentation. Segmentation being the multi-layered = application of the concept of points of articulation. The role of = Schoenberg's concept of klangfarben being among the first european = formal articulations of spectrum as having possible structural = significance. As Schoenberg had little access to sounds that could = continuously transform in the spectral domain, independently of = frequency and amplitude, his examples are restricted. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DtFT6NIYMF1I [My hearing says that the voice / spoken language meets many of your = criteria, the voice [in most western european languages] being segmented = and 'decoded' almost completely in terms of spectrum.] Recently in introducing the vocoder in a class I recalled that the raw = information extracted by a [traditional] vocoder is amplitude = representations of frequency bands -- in some senses [and applications], = a 'spectral extractor'. [My preference here is for spectral as I use = this term to be a metric; timbre I use as a psychometric.] And the famous Kontakte 'frequency to rhythm' section of Kontakte: http://cec.sonus.ca/econtact/12_4/kontakte/view.php?section=3D24 In covering these concepts in classes I refer back to the concept of a = sonic / musical identity. The Beethoven Fifth Symphony [in its musical = essence / identity remains consistent across the application of = different spectral / timbral sources. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DCh5nJEqBKBk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DYT4hZ1b7srs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DGVva_JckRYw And as a last possibility for a universal understanding: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dad4hN3FbwFo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nichiren_Buddhism Kevin On 2013, Feb 8y hythm perception > - the role of timbral saliency in the perception of rhythmic accents = and possible differences among cultures > - timbral accentuation and meter perception > - timbral contrasts and the induction of hypermeter > - the relation between timbral heterogeneity and rhythmic complexity. >=20 > I am most interested in examples drawn from real music. My plan is to = create a website with these examples, which interested colleagues could = use for pedagogical and research purposes. All contributions will be = appropriately acknowledged. >=20 > With best wishes, > Stephen McAdams >=20 > Schulich School of Music > McGill University > 555 Sherbrooke St. W. > Montr=E9al, Qu=E9bec > Canada H3A 1E3 --Boundary_(ID_BAnee5wJXMl/Qxow9krJng) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable <html><head></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; = -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; = "><div><br></div><div>Hi Steve</div><div><br></div><div>I'm not = completely clear on what you might be looking for, but would these = examples be pointing in the right = direction:</div><div><br></div><div><div style=3D"font-family: = monospace; "><a = href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DdFGvNxBqYFI">http://www.youtube.c= om/watch?v=3DdFGvNxBqYFI</a></div><div style=3D"font-family: monospace; = "><a = href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DSjK7iG_5hIU">http://www.youtube.c= om/watch?v=3DSjK7iG_5hIU</a></div></div><div><br></div><div><a = href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D9kpcr2-Pzbo">http://www.youtube.c= om/watch?v=3D9kpcr2-Pzbo</a></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>My = reading of your question[s] is a study of what I call the first = principle of ASA, segmentation. Segmentation being the multi-layered = application of the concept of points of articulation. The role of = Schoenberg's concept of klangfarben being among the first european = formal articulations of spectrum as having possible structural = significance. As Schoenberg had little access to sounds that could = continuously transform in the spectral domain, independently of = frequency and amplitude, his examples are restricted.</div><div><a = href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DtFT6NIYMF1I">http://www.youtube.c= om/watch?v=3DtFT6NIYMF1I</a></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>[My = hearing says that the voice / spoken language meets many of your = criteria, the voice [in most western european languages] being segmented = and 'decoded' almost completely in terms of = spectrum.]</div><div><br></div><div>Recently in introducing the vocoder = in a class I recalled that the raw information extracted by a = [traditional] vocoder is amplitude representations of frequency bands -- = in some senses [and applications], a 'spectral extractor'. [My = preference here is for spectral as I use this term to be a metric; = timbre I use as a psychometric.]</div><div><br></div><div>And the famous = Kontakte 'frequency to rhythm' section of Kontakte:</div><div><a = href=3D"http://cec.sonus.ca/econtact/12_4/kontakte/view.php?section=3D24">= http://cec.sonus.ca/econtact/12_4/kontakte/view.php?section=3D24</a></div>= <div><br></div><div>In covering these concepts in classes I refer back = to the concept of a sonic / musical identity. The Beethoven Fifth = Symphony [in its musical essence / identity remains consistent across = the application of different spectral / timbral sources.</div><div><a = href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DCh5nJEqBKBk">http://www.youtube.c= om/watch?v=3DCh5nJEqBKBk</a></div><div><a = href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DYT4hZ1b7srs">http://www.youtube.c= om/watch?v=3DYT4hZ1b7srs</a></div><div><a = href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DGVva_JckRYw">http://www.youtube.c= om/watch?v=3DGVva_JckRYw</a></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><= /div><div>And as a last possibility for a universal = understanding:</div><div><a = href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dad4hN3FbwFo">http://www.youtube.c= om/watch?v=3Dad4hN3FbwFo</a></div><div><br></div><div><a = href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nichiren_Buddhism">http://en.wikipedi= a.org/wiki/Nichiren_Buddhism</a></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>K= evin</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div= ><br></div><br><div><div>On 2013, Feb 8y <span = class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Arial; ">hythm = perception</span></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div style=3D"word-wrap: = break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: = after-white-space; "><div><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" = style=3D"font-family: Arial; ">- the role of timbral saliency in the perception of rhythmic accents and possible differences among = cultures</span></div><div><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" = style=3D"font-family: Arial; ">- timbral accentuation and meter = perception</span></div><div><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" = style=3D"font-family: Arial; ">- timbral contrasts and the induction of hypermeter</span></div><div><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" = style=3D"font-family: Arial; ">- the relation between timbral = heterogeneity and rhythmic complexity.</span></div><div><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" = style=3D"font-family: Arial; "><br></span></div><div><span = class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Arial; ">I am most = interested in examples drawn from real music. My plan is to create a = website with these examples, which interested colleagues could use for = pedagogical and research purposes. All contributions will be = appropriately acknowledged.</span></div><div><span = class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Arial; = "><br></span></div><div><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" = style=3D"font-family: Arial; ">With best wishes,</span></div><div><span = class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Arial; ">Stephen = McAdams</span></div><div><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" = style=3D"font-family: Arial; "><br></span></div><div><span = class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: 14px; ">Schulich School = of Music</span></div><div><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" = style=3D"border-collapse: separate; font-style: normal; font-variant: = normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: = normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; = text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: = 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: = auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><span = class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: separate; = font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; = font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; = orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: = none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: = 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: = auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div = style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; = -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" = style=3D"border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: = normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: = normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; = text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: = 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: = auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div = style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; = -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" = style=3D"border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: = normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: = normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; = text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: = 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: = auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div = style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; = -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" = style=3D"border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: = 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; = letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: = 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: = 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: = auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style=3D"word-wrap: = break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: = after-white-space; "><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" = style=3D"border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: = 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; = letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: = 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: = 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: = auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style=3D"word-wrap: = break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: = after-white-space; "><div><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; = -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div = style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; = -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>McGill = University</div><div>555 Sherbrooke St. W.</div><div>Montr=E9al, = Qu=E9bec</div><div>Canada H3A = 1E3</div></div></div></div></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></= span></div></span></span></div></div></blockquote></div><br></body></html>= --Boundary_(ID_BAnee5wJXMl/Qxow9krJng)--