Re: [AUDITORY] Note durations in music (Kevin Austin )


Subject: Re: [AUDITORY] Note durations in music
From:    Kevin Austin  <kevin.austin@xxxxxxxx>
Date:    Sun, 16 Jun 2013 01:00:22 -0400
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This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_eE5ts0RTJKU/k/dDmfTLZw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Content-disposition: inline Having pondered the question and the responses for a few days=2C I still= am not clear on the core issue=2E For me this is partly tied up with th= e lack of definitions of the term =22note=22=2E In my classes I try to a= void the word without specific context to delimit the meaning=2E There are two =5Bor more=5D possible interpretations here=3A =5B1=5D onset time to onset time =5B2=5D duration of the sounding element =5B2a=5D adding the duration of any non-sounding element=5Bs=5D -- rest= s or silences There is not a great deal of solo monophonic music in the classical west= ern music repertoire compared with the quantity of music that has more t= han one pitch sounding at one time=2E Within the solo monophonic repertoire=2C composed music which is beyond = being a very simple tune=2C eg God Save the Queen played on a flute=2C i= s very often working to create the illusion of more than one pitch at a = time=2E To see this in a very simple / complex example=2C take the Bach = Prelude in C Major from book One of the Well-Tempered Clavier=2E It can = be played with one finger=2E It can also be heard as a five-voice homoph= onic composition=2E Since the well-known repertoire is so small=2C it is likely a matter of = going to some much more relatively obscure sources=2C such as Johann Qua= ntz http=3A//imslp=2Eorg/wiki/Fantasies=5Fand=5FPreludes=5Ffor=5FFlute=5F(Qu= antz=2C=5FJohann=5FJoachim) or other solo =E9tudes=2E Being technical studies=2C they may not contai= n the kind of information that you are looking for=2E Another approach is to take the instrument in the context of being a sol= oist in an ensemble=2E Depending upon the degree of precision you need=2C= determining the start of the onset can also be a problem=2C the sound o= f a flute or trumpet for example 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