Subject: Re: [AUDITORY] SV: RE: Perceptual basis of evolving western musical styles From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?fr=E9d=E9ric_maintenant?= <fmaintenant@xxxxxxxx> Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 06:55:53 +0100 List-Archive:<http://lists.mcgill.ca/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=AUDITORY>---1690458260-1672112700-1370411753=:90110 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry to interrupt again. Would you see any difference in the evolution of = western musical style between 1960s and 1980s? or 1900s and 1920s? FM=0A=0A= =0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A De=A0: Pablo Hern=E1n Rodri= guez Zivic <elsonidoq@xxxxxxxx>=0A=C0=A0: AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx =0AEnvo= y=E9 le : Mardi 4 juin 2013 14h33=0AObjet=A0: Re: SV: RE: Perceptual basis = of evolving western musical styles=0A =0A=0A=0AHi David,=0A=0AThank you!=A0= =0AI'm glad that both, Eric has a concern about my analysis, and you don't.= Otherwise, there would be no discussion :).=0A=0AWith respect to the selec= tion bias of the corpus, it may be. However, if you look in the Supporting = Information, we did a control by projecting another corpus (the Alicante's = 9GDB) into the factors, and we found very similar results. However, I don't= exactly recall how the projection values where for the 9GDB corpus with re= spect to the IR principles.=A0=0A=0AYou are right with respect to the Baroq= ue overshoot. Yet, the end of the Baroque is a very arbitrary date as well,= since it's the year of Bach's death. So, it could be the case that for 20 = years after Bach died, similar music was still been written (maybe someone = who knows more about music history can tell me if this make sense).=0A=0AAn= yway, thanks for your comments!!=0A=0APablo=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Mon, Jun 3, 20= 13 at 7:50 AM, David Morris <dmorris@xxxxxxxx> wrote:=0A=0AHi Pablo,=0A>= =0A>I don't share Eric's concern about a drawback and found this article de= finitely worthy of your shameless self-promotion. =A0Congratulations. =A0It= 's perplexing that the closure projection results for the Classical period = are so low. =A0I would have ex=E5ected them to be amongst the highest. =A0C= ould this relate to selection bias in the corpus, or does it have to do wit= h the definition (as per the Carol and Krumhansl reference which I should p= robably try and wrap my feeble mind around). =A0Also, on account of the two= deaths that occured, I think that the second year overshoots the end of th= e Baroque by 20 years, but that doesn't effect your analysis.=0A>=0A>All th= e best=0A>=0A>David=0A=0A=0A-- =0Ahttp://pablozivic.com.ar/ ---1690458260-1672112700-1370411753=:90110 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:Co= urier New, courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><font siz= e=3D"2">Sorry to interrupt again. Would you see any difference in the evolu= tion of western musical style between 1960s and 1980s? or 1900s and 1920s? = FM<br></font><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><br></font><div><span><br></sp= an></div><div><br></div> <div style=3D"font-family: Courier New, courier, = monaco, monospace, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style=3D"font-family= : times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir=3D"l= tr"> <hr size=3D"1"> <font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"> <b><span style=3D"fo= nt-weight:bold;">De :</span></b> Pablo Hern=E1n Rodriguez Zivic <el= sonidoq@xxxxxxxx><br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">=C0 :<= /span></b> AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bol= d;">Envoy=E9 le :</span></b> Mardi 4 juin 2013 14h33<br> <b><span style=3D"= font-weight: bold;">Objet :</span></b> Re: SV: RE: Perceptual basis of evolving we= stern musical styles<br> </font> </div> <div class=3D"y_msg_container"><br>= <div id=3D"yiv3572727833"><div dir=3D"ltr">Hi David,<div><br></div><div sty= le=3D"">Thank you! </div><div style=3D"">I'm glad that both, Eric has = a concern about my analysis, and you don't. Otherwise, there would be no di= scussion :).</div><div style=3D""><br>=0A=0A</div><div style=3D"">With resp= ect to the selection bias of the corpus, it may be. However, if you look in= the Supporting Information, we did a control by projecting another corpus = (the Alicante's 9GDB) into the factors, and we found very similar results. = However, I don't exactly recall how the projection values where for the 9GD= B corpus with respect to the IR principles. </div>=0A=0A<div style=3D"= "><br></div><div style=3D"">You are right with respect to the Baroque overs= hoot. Yet, the end of the Baroque is a very arbitrary date as well, since i= t's the year of Bach's death. So, it could be the case that for 20 years af= ter Bach died, similar music was still been written (maybe someone who know= s more about music history can tell me if this make sense).</div>=0A=0A<div= style=3D""><br></div><div style=3D"">Anyway, thanks for your comments!!</d= iv><div style=3D""><br></div><div style=3D"">Pablo</div><div style=3D""><br= ></div></div><div class=3D"yiv3572727833gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"= yiv3572727833gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 7:50 AM, David Morris <spa= n dir=3D"ltr"><<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:dmorris@xxxxxxxx" = target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:dmorris@xxxxxxxx">dmorris@xxxxxxxx</a>&g= t;</span> wrote:<br>=0A=0A<blockquote class=3D"yiv3572727833gmail_quote" st= yle=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Hi P= ablo,<br>=0A<br>=0AI don't share Eric's concern about a drawback and found = this article definitely worthy of your shameless self-promotion. Cong= ratulations. It's perplexing that the closure projection results for = the Classical period are so low. I would have ex=E5ected them to be a= mongst the highest. Could this relate to selection bias in the corpus= , or does it have to do with the definition (as per the Carol and Krumhansl= reference which I should probably try and wrap my feeble mind around). &nb= sp;Also, on account of the two deaths that occured, I think that the second= year overshoots the end of the Baroque by 20 years, but that doesn't effec= t your analysis.<br>=0A=0A=0A<br>=0AAll the best<br>=0A<span class=3D"yiv35= 72727833HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>=0ADavid</font></span></blockqu= ote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><a rel=3D"nofollow" t= arget=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://pablozivic.com.ar/">http://pablozivic.com.a= r/</a>=0A</div></div><br><br></div> </div> </div> </div></body></html> ---1690458260-1672112700-1370411753=:90110--