Subject: Re: Human hearing beats the Fourier uncertainty principle: Research From: herzfeld <herzfeld@xxxxxxxx> Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 17:41:11 -0500 List-Archive:<http://lists.mcgill.ca/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=AUDITORY>What Kevin states is not the only problem with our knowledge of the auditory system. In: 1289 Discrimination of surface-structured targets by the echolocating bat: Myotis myotis during flight * J. Habersetzer; B. Vogler JCOPA 1983 152( ) 275-282 [JOURNAL OF COMPARATIVE PHYSIOLOGY A} PDFavailable from me Habersetzer shows that a bat, Myotis myotis , is able to distinguish two objects with differences of only about 1/100 of a wavelegth. Not what we know about detection.possibilities. There is a lot of "stuff" we do not understand. Fred ------------------------------------------------------ Fred Herzfeld, MIT class of 1954 78 Glynn Marsh Drive # 59 Brunswick, Ga. 31525 USA tel: (912) 262-1276 Web: http://alum.mit.edu/www/herzfeld (not up yet) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Austin" <kevin.austin@xxxxxxxx> To: <AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 11:07 AM Subject: Human hearing beats the Fourier uncertainty principle: Research Comments? >> http://phys.org/news/2013-02-human-fourier-uncertainty-principle.html >> >> >> (Phys.org)—For the first time, physicists have found that >> humans can discriminate a sound's frequency (related to a >> note's pitch) and timing (whether a note comes before or >> after another note) more than 10 times better than the >> limit imposed by the Fourier uncertainty principle. Not >> surprisingly, some of the subjects with the best >> listening precision were musicians, but even >> non-musicians could exceed the uncertainty limit. The >> results rule out the majority of auditory processing >> brain algorithms that have been proposed, since only a >> few models can match this impressive human performance. >> >> Read more at: >> http://phys.org/news/2013-02-human-fourier-uncertainty-principle.html#jCp Thanks Kevin= -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.932 / Virus Database: 2639.1.1/5607 - Release Date: 02/16/13 02:37:00