Subject: Re: The climb of absolute pitch From: Peter Lennox <P.Lennox@xxxxxxxx> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 13:15:23 +0000 List-Archive:<http://lists.mcgill.ca/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=AUDITORY>--_000_28F33490C302424E98CC6DC2531B2048CE80C964DCMKTMBX01unive_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Or it's Doppler effect due to accelerating expansion of the universe... ;)= Dr. Peter Lennox School of Technology, Faculty of Arts, Design and Technology University of Derby, UK e: p.lennox@xxxxxxxx<mailto:p.lennox@xxxxxxxx> t: 01332 593155 From: AUDITORY - Research in Auditory Perception [mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx= GILL.CA] On Behalf Of Leon van Noorden Sent: 30 November 2012 09:26 To: AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx Subject: Re: The climb of absolute pitch Brian, So for the optimists it should go down. I believe that Diana has found that in some cases indeed it goes down. I my case it has gone up one step of the the scale. However, I am not a re= al pessimist. Leon On 30 Nov 2012, at 10:19, Brian Gygi wrote: Maybe it's the world that has changed and not you - it got lower (i.e., da= rker, sadder) Brian Gygi, Ph.D. -----Original Message----- From: Pierre Divenyi [mailto:pdivenyi@xxxxxxxx<mailto:[mailto:p= divenyi@xxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 11:10 AM To: AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx<mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx> Subject: The climb of absolute pitch Hi, Several older persons who have had absolute pitch in their young years exp= erience perceiving a pitch by at least a half-tone (minor second) higher t= han what it actually is ? a phenomenon that the French calls the "climb of= the tuning fork" ("montee du diapason"). Since I am one of those unfortun= ate individuals, I have been wondering what its physiological explanation = is. Can anyone on the list offer one? -Pierre Divenyi _____________________________________________________________________ The University of Derby has a published policy regarding email and reserve= s the right to monitor email traffic. If you believe this email was sent t= o you in error, please notify the sender and delete this email. 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Peter Lennox<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'fo= nt-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareas= t-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span s= tyle=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;= mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>School of Technology,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p = class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","s= ans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Faculty of Arts, Desi= gn and Technology<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D= 'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-far= east-language:EN-US'>University of Derby, UK<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class= =3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-s= erif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>e: <a href=3D"mailto:p.len= nox@xxxxxxxx">p.lennox@xxxxxxxx</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D= MsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-seri= f";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>t: 01332 593155<o:p></o:p></s= pan></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-fa= mily:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><di= v><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0= cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:= 10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-= US style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> AUDITORY = - Research in Auditory Perception [mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx <b>On = Behalf Of </b>Leon van Noorden<br><b>Sent:</b> 30 November 2012 09:26<br><= b>To:</b> AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: The climb of abs= olute pitch<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nb= sp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Brian,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal>So for t= he optimists it should go down.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I = believe that Diana has found that in some cases indeed it goes down.<o:p><= /o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I my case it has gone up one step= of the the scale. However, I am not a real pessimist.<o:p></o:p></p></div= ><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoN= ormal>Leon<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p>= </p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On 30 Nov 2012, at 10:19, Brian Gygi wr= ote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><p cl= ass=3DMsoNormal>Maybe it's the world that has changed and not you - it got= lower (i.e., darker, sadder)<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><spa= n style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'> </sp= an><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Brian Gygi, Ph.D.<o:p></o:p><= /p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style=3D= 'border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;margin= -left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p cla= ss=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style=3D'font-size:10.= 0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>-----Original Message-----<br><b>Fr= om:</b> Pierre Divenyi <a href=3D"mailto:[mailto:pdivenyi@xxxxxxxx= DU]">[mailto:pdivenyi@xxxxxxxx</a><br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, No= vember 29, 2012 11:10 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx= GILL.CA">AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx</a><br><b>Subject:</b> The climb of abso= lute pitch</span><o:p></o:p></p><table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 c= ellpadding=3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%' id=3D201179><tr><td w= idth=3D"100%" valign=3Dtop style=3D'width:100.0%;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt= .75pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Hi,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D= MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Several old= er persons who have had absolute pitch in their young years experience per= ceiving a pitch by at least a half-tone (minor second) higher than what it= actually is ? a phenomenon that the French calls the "climb of the t= uning fork" ("montee du diapason"). Since I am one of those= unfortunate individuals, I have been wondering what its physiological exp= lanation is. Can anyone on the list offer one?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p= class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>-P= ierre Divenyi<o:p></o:p></p></div></td></tr></table></blockquote></div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><br clear=3D"both"> _____________________________________________________________________<BR> The University of Derby has a published policy regarding email and reserve= s the right to monitor email traffic. If you believe this email was sent t= o you in error, please notify the sender and delete this email. Please dir= ect any concerns to Infosec@xxxxxxxx<BR> </body></html> --_000_28F33490C302424E98CC6DC2531B2048CE80C964DCMKTMBX01unive_--