Subject: Re: exploitation of "Auditory List" as a free "Article Request" list From: Marcelo Caetano <gaiolouvo-auditory@xxxxxxxx> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 05:49:11 -0700 List-Archive:<http://lists.mcgill.ca/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=AUDITORY>---268986479-2007167256-1344257351=:71010 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Bruno and list,=0Amy point exactly. I don't agree that article request= s on the list can be characterized as abuse. I actually think that it's rat= her arbitrary to do so given that, currently, there are no=A0guidelines on = http://www.auditory.org/=A0(or anywhere else that I'm aware of). Consequent= ly,=A0the way the members use the list currently dictates how the list is u= sed. Maybe we should all discuss and agree on guidelines for all the member= s to follow rather than give our personal opinions?=0A=A0=0AIn time, writin= g the authors to request PDFs might work, but it can take days. Sometimes t= he authors have academic webpages where you can find (and download) a copy = of their publications.=0A=A0=0AMarcelo=0A=0A=0A>___________________________= _____=0A> De: Bruno L. Giordano <brungio@xxxxxxxx>=0A>Para: AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx= .MCGILL.CA =0A>Enviadas: Segunda-feira, 6 de Agosto de 2012 15:02=0A>Assunt= o: Re: [AUDITORY] exploitation of "Auditory List" as a free "Article Reques= t" list=0A> =0A>Hello,=0A>=0A>independently of how we feel about intellect= ual property issues, Brian's =0A>message is a useful (and constructive) rem= inder that this system should =0A>not be abused.=0A>=0A>Best,=0A>=0A>=A0=A0= =A0 Bruno=0A>=0A>=0A>On 06/08/2012 12:38 PM, Marcelo Caetano wrote:=0A>> De= ar Brian and members of the list,=0A>> I disagree with Brian's characteriza= tion of article requests as "rather=0A>> excessive use of this list for obt= aining articles". Personally, I have a=0A>> hunch that the frequent article= requests might better reflect flaws in=0A>> the library system (amongs oth= ers) rather than plain laziness.=0A>> Unfortunately, I don't have data to c= onfirm this impression (does=0A>> anyone?). However, we usually see immedia= te responses to article=0A>> requests made on the list, in opposition to th= e alternatives Brian=0A>> points out. Ultimately, I feel that this discussi= on is very in line=0A>> with ongoing debates on issues about intellectual a= nd property rights,=0A>> and I think we all could very much benefit from ac= tively engaging in it.=0A>> Marcelo Caetano=0A>>=0A>>=A0 =A0 *De:* Brian F= G Katz <brian.katz@xxxxxxxx>=0A>>=A0 =A0 *Para:* AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx= =0A>>=A0 =A0 *Enviadas:* Segunda-feira, 6 de Agosto de 2012 11:57=0A>>=A0 = =A0 *Assunto:* [AUDITORY] exploitation of "Auditory List" as a free=0A>>= =A0 =A0 "Article Request" list=0A>>=0A>>=A0 =A0 Dear list members,=0A>>= =0A>>=A0 =A0 I would like to bring to people's attention the rather excess= ive use=0A>>=A0 =A0 of this=0A>>=A0 =A0 list for obtaining articles. Whil= e I understand that some articles=0A>>=A0 =A0 may be=0A>>=A0 =A0 hard to = find, being old, or in obscure journals, the constant flow of=0A>>=A0 =A0 = requests for articles that are clearly available, albeit for a fee, is=0A>>= =A0 =A0 something of an abuse of the list and also the library system.=0A>= >=0A>>=A0 =A0 Student especially should profit from the systems in place a= t their=0A>>=A0 =A0 respective institutions, and if need be actually go to= a library. Many=0A>>=A0 =A0 libraries also offer article retrieval servic= es, which should be *fully*=0A>>=A0 =A0 exploited before make a global req= uest to the open community.=0A>>=0A>>=A0 =A0 Students are also encouraged = to contact the authors directly to obtain=0A>>=A0 =A0 difficult articles, = as a means of expressing interest, and possibly=0A>>=A0 =A0 opening=0A>>= =A0 =A0 a dialog.=0A>>=0A>>=A0 =A0 Only as a last resort should the list = be used as a resource for "freely"=0A>>=A0 =A0 obtaining your bibliographi= c references.=0A>>=0A>>=A0 =A0 Cordially,=0A>>=0A>>=A0 =A0 -Brian FG Katz= =0A>>=A0 =A0 --=0A>>=A0 =A0 Brian FG Katz, Ph.D=0A>>=A0 =A0 Audio & Acou= stique=0A>>=A0 =A0 LIMSI-CNRS=0A>>=A0 =A0 BP 133=0A>>=A0 =A0 F91403 Orsa= y=0A>>=A0 =A0 France=0A>>=A0 =A0 tel. (+33) 01 69 85 81 55=0A>>=A0 =A0 f= ax. (+33) 01.69.85.80.88=0A>>=A0 =A0 e-mail Brian.Katz@xxxxxxxx <mailto:Br= ian.Katz@xxxxxxxx>=0A>>=A0 =A0 <mailto:Brian.Katz@xxxxxxxx <mailto:Brian.K= atz@xxxxxxxx>>=0A>>=A0 =A0 web_theme: http://www.limsi.fr/Scientifique/aa/= thmsonesp/=0A>>=A0 =A0 web_group: http://www.limsi.fr/Scientifique/aa/=0A>= >=0A>>=0A>=0A>=0A> ---268986479-2007167256-1344257351=:71010 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:ti= mes new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>Dear Bruno= and list<var id=3D"yui-ie-cursor"></var>,</span></div><div><span>my point = exactly. I don't agree that article requests on the list can be characteriz= ed as abuse. I actually think that it's rather arbitrary to do so given tha= t, currently, there are no guidelines on <a href=3D"http://www.auditor= y.org/">http://www.auditory.org/</a> (or anywhere else that I'm aware = of). Consequently, the way the members use the list currently dictates= how the list is used. </span><span>Maybe we should all discuss and agree o= n guidelines for all the members to follow rather than give our personal op= inions?</span></div><div><span></span> </div><div><span>In time, writi= ng the authors to request PDFs might work, but it can take days. Sometimes = the authors have academic webpages where you can find (and download) a copy of their publications.</span></div><div><span></span> </div><div= ><span>Marcelo</span></div><div><br><blockquote style=3D"padding-left: 5px;= margin-top: 5px; margin-left: 5px; border-left-color: rgb(16, 16, 255); bo= rder-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid;"> <div style=3D"font-famil= y: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style= =3D"font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"= > <div dir=3D"ltr"> <font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"> <div style=3D"margin: = 5px 0px; padding: 0px; border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); height: 0px; l= ine-height: 0; font-size: 0px;" class=3D"hr" contentEditable=3D"false" read= only=3D"true"></div> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">De:</span></b> = Bruno L. Giordano <brungio@xxxxxxxx><br> <b><span style=3D"font-weig= ht: bold;">Para:</span></b> AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx <br> <b><span style=3D= "font-weight: bold;">Enviadas:</span></b> Segunda-feira, 6 de Agosto de 201= 2 15:02<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Assunto:</span></b> Re: [AUDITORY] exploitati= on of "Auditory List" as a free "Article Request" list<br> </font> </div> <= br>Hello,<br><br>independently of how we feel about intellectual property i= ssues, Brian's <br>message is a useful (and constructive) reminder that thi= s system should <br>not be abused.<br><br>Best,<br><br> B= runo<br><br><br>On 06/08/2012 12:38 PM, Marcelo Caetano wrote:<br>> Dear= Brian and members of the list,<br>> I disagree with Brian's characteriz= ation of article requests as "rather<br>> excessive use of this list for= obtaining articles". Personally, I have a<br>> hunch that the frequent = article requests might better reflect flaws in<br>> the library system (= amongs others) rather than plain laziness.<br>> Unfortunately, I don't h= ave data to confirm this impression (does<br>> anyone?). However, we usu= ally see immediate responses to article<br>> requests made on the list, in opposition to the alternatives Brian<br>> points out. Ultimate= ly, I feel that this discussion is very in line<br>> with ongoing debate= s on issues about intellectual and property rights,<br>> and I think we = all could very much benefit from actively engaging in it.<br>> Marcelo C= aetano<br>><br>> *De:* Brian FG Katz <<a href=3D"mai= lto:brian.katz@xxxxxxxx" ymailto=3D"mailto:brian.katz@xxxxxxxx">brian.katz@xxxxxxxx= LIMSI.FR</a>><br>> *Para:* <a href=3D"mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx= ISTS.MCGILL.CA" ymailto=3D"mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx">AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx= MCGILL.CA</a><br>> *Enviadas:* Segunda-feira, 6 de Agosto = de 2012 11:57<br>> *Assunto:* [AUDITORY] exploitation of "= Auditory List" as a free<br>> "Article Request" list<br>&g= t;<br>> Dear list members,<br>><br>> I= would like to bring to people's attention the rather excessive use<br>> of this<br>> list for obtaining= articles. While I understand that some articles<br>> may = be<br>> hard to find, being old, or in obscure journals, t= he constant flow of<br>> requests for articles that are cl= early available, albeit for a fee, is<br>> something of an= abuse of the list and also the library system.<br>><br>>  = ; Student especially should profit from the systems in place at their<br>&= gt; respective institutions, and if need be actually go to a = library. Many<br>> libraries also offer article retrieval = services, which should be *fully*<br>> exploited before ma= ke a global request to the open community.<br>><br>> St= udents are also encouraged to contact the authors directly to obtain<br>>= ; difficult articles, as a means of expressing interest, and possibly<br>> opening<br>> = a dialog.<br>><br>> Only as a last resort should the l= ist be used as a resource for "freely"<br>> obtaining your= bibliographic references.<br>><br>> Cordially,<br>>= <br>> -Brian FG Katz<br>> --<br>> = ; Brian FG Katz, Ph.D<br>> Audio & Acoustique<= br>> LIMSI-CNRS<br>> BP 133<br>> = F91403 Orsay<br>> France<br>> te= l. (+33) 01 69 85 81 55<br>> fax. (+33) 01.69.85.80.88<br>= > e-mail <a href=3D"mailto:Brian.Katz@xxxxxxxx" ymailto=3D= "mailto:Brian.Katz@xxxxxxxx">Brian.Katz@xxxxxxxx</a> <mailto:<a href=3D"= mailto:Brian.Katz@xxxxxxxx" ymailto=3D"mailto:Brian.Katz@xxxxxxxx">Brian.Ka= tz@xxxxxxxx</a>><br>> <mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:Brian.Katz@xxxxxxxx" ymailto=3D"mailto:Brian.Katz@xxxxxxxx"= >Brian.Katz@xxxxxxxx</a> <mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:Brian.Katz@xxxxxxxx" = ymailto=3D"mailto:Brian.Katz@xxxxxxxx">Brian.Katz@xxxxxxxx</a>>><br>&= gt; web_theme: <a href=3D"http://www.limsi.fr/Scientifique/aa= /thmsonesp/" target=3D"_blank">http://www.limsi.fr/Scientifique/aa/thmsones= p/</a><br>> web_group: <a href=3D"http://www.limsi.fr/Scie= ntifique/aa/" target=3D"_blank">http://www.limsi.fr/Scientifique/aa/</a><br= >><br>><br><br><br> </div> </div> </blockquote></div> </div></body>= </html> ---268986479-2007167256-1344257351=:71010--