Subject: Re: exploitation of "Auditory List" as a free "Article Request" list From: Tom Barker <thomas.barker@xxxxxxxx> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 15:26:44 +0300 List-Archive:<http://lists.mcgill.ca/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=AUDITORY>I simply hadn't thought to do that, it is a good suggestion for the future. Tom On 06/08/12 15:22, Andreas Widmann wrote: > Why not requesting a (PDF) reprint directly from the author(s)? It was not so challenging to find the senior author's mail address by a Google search. > > Best, > Andreas > > Am 06.08.2012 um 14:09 schrieb Tom Barker <thomas.barker@xxxxxxxx>: > >> Brian's position is understandable. Creating too much noise from constant article requests reduces the ability for useful discussion on the list. >> >> From a selfish point of view, it is simply more efficient to request an unavailable (on my university's library subscription) article here, and receive responses within a few minutes, than to travel to the other university or public library in my city and work out how the request system works there. >> >> There is also the (serious) issue of intellectual property rights. I personally feel uncomfortable with a request for a PDF of an entire book here. Clearly, in most jurisdictions, photocopying an entire book is not legal. This list is a useful resource, and it is unfair on the list owners (located in the US) to subject them to any liability for the lists misuse in this regard. >> >> I am not sure about the general case of copying of a single journal or conference paper, but in the UK I believe it was acceptable to copy a single book chapter, conference paper or journal article within the University. Electronic transmission might be treated differently, but I would advise against anyone fulfilling requests directly to the list, instead posting directly to the address of anyone requesting the article. >> >> Requests for articles may raise general awareness of interesting publications, and this is definitely one benefit from posting requests here. >> >> Tom >> >> On 06/08/12 14:38, Marcelo Caetano wrote: >>> Dear Brian and members of the list, >>> I disagree with Brian's characterization of article requests as "rather excessive use of this list for obtaining articles". Personally, I have a hunch that the frequent article requests might better reflect flaws in the library system (amongs others) rather than plain laziness. >>> >>> Unfortunately, I don't have data to confirm this impression (does anyone?). However, we usually see immediate responses to article requests made on the list, in opposition to the alternatives Brian points out. Ultimately, I feel that this discussion is very in line with ongoing debates on issues about intellectual and property rights, and I think we all could very much benefit from actively engaging in it. >>> >>> Marcelo Caetano >>> >>> De: Brian FG Katz <brian.katz@xxxxxxxx> >>> Para: AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx >>> Enviadas: Segunda-feira, 6 de Agosto de 2012 11:57 >>> Assunto: [AUDITORY] exploitation of "Auditory List" as a free "Article Request" list >>> >>> Dear list members, >>> >>> I would like to bring to people's attention the rather excessive use of this >>> list for obtaining articles. While I understand that some articles may be >>> hard to find, being old, or in obscure journals, the constant flow of >>> requests for articles that are clearly available, albeit for a fee, is >>> something of an abuse of the list and also the library system. >>> >>> Student especially should profit from the systems in place at their >>> respective institutions, and if need be actually go to a library. Many >>> libraries also offer article retrieval services, which should be *fully* >>> exploited before make a global request to the open community. >>> >>> Students are also encouraged to contact the authors directly to obtain >>> difficult articles, as a means of expressing interest, and possibly opening >>> a dialog. >>> >>> Only as a last resort should the list be used as a resource for "freely" >>> obtaining your bibliographic references. >>> >>> Cordially, >>> >>> -Brian FG Katz >>> -- >>> Brian FG Katz, Ph.D >>> Audio & Acoustique >>> LIMSI-CNRS >>> BP 133 >>> F91403 Orsay >>> France >>> tel. (+33) 01 69 85 81 55 >>> fax. (+33) 01.69.85.80.88 >>> e-mail Brian.Katz@xxxxxxxx <mailto:Brian.Katz@xxxxxxxx> >>> web_theme: http://www.limsi.fr/Scientifique/aa/thmsonesp/ >>> web_group: http://www.limsi.fr/Scientifique/aa/ >>> >>>