Subject: Re: Do dogs have absolute pitch? From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Ignacio_Alc=E1ntara?= <jia10@xxxxxxxx> Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 16:03:44 +0100 List-Archive:<http://lists.mcgill.ca/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=AUDITORY>--Apple-Mail-9-243655054 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Yes, but . . . only until someone demonstrates that Melons also have AP!=20= On 16 May 2012, at 11:36, Bob Carlyon wrote: > I am trying very hard to resist commenting that this demonstration is = in fact the long-overdue proof of the validity of the Bark scale. > But I failed. > Sorry everyone > =20 > =20 > Bob > =20 > Dr Bob Carlyon, > Programme Leader, > MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit, > 15 Chaucer Rd., > Cambridge, > CB2 7EF, > England. > tel: +44 1223 355294 > =20 > =20 > =20 > From: AUDITORY - Research in Auditory Perception = [mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx On Behalf Of Brian Gygi > Sent: 16 May 2012 10:13 > To: AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: Do dogs have absolute pitch? > =20 >=20 > Yes, could you train a dog to howl at 440? That would be a test of = the theory :) > =20 > Brian Gygi, Ph.D.=20 > Senior Research Fellow=20 > National Biomedical Research Unit in Hearing=20 > 113 The Ropewalk=20 > Nottingham, UK > =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Sam Mathias [mailto:smathias@xxxxxxxx > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 01:50 AM > To: AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: Do dogs have absolute pitch? >=20 > The owner is clearly signalling: skip ahead to the end of the video, = where you can actually see her move her body and look at the correct key = before the dog responds. Since dogs can pick up on some truly amazing = cues from their owners (e.g., they can be trained to predict epileptic = seizures), I think a well-trained dog could accomplish this easily. >=20 > On 16 May 2012 02:15, Kevin Austin <kevin.austin@xxxxxxxx> wrote: > http://www.wimp.com/dogpitch/ >=20 >=20 >=20 > =BF=BF >=20 > Kevin >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Dr. Samuel R. Mathias > Neural Mechanisms of Human Communication > Max Planck Institute for Human Cognitive and Brain Sciences > Stephanstra=DFe 1 > 04103 Leipzig, Germany > Tel: +49 341 9940 2479 Dr Jos=E9 Ignacio Alc=E1ntara Department of Experimental Psychology University of Cambridge Downing Street Cambridge, UK CB2 3EB Phone: 44 (0)1223 764412 Fax: 44 (0)1223 333564 Fellow of Fitzwilliam College Cambridge, UK CB3 0DG Phone: 44 (0)1223 332026 --Apple-Mail-9-243655054 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 <html><head><base href=3D"x-msg://88/"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: = break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: = after-white-space; ">Yes, but . . . only until someone demonstrates that = Melons also have AP! <div><div><br><div><br><div><div>On 16 May = 2012, at 11:36, Bob Carlyon wrote:</div><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span = class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: separate; 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= margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: = 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: = 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">But I = failed.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; = margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: = 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: = 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Sorry = everyone<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; = margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: = 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: = 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); = "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; = margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: = 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: = 11pt; 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color: = rgb(31, 73, 125); ">tel: +44 1223 355294<o:p></o:p></span></div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; = margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New = Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, = sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); = "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; = margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: = 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang=3D"EN-GB" = style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: = rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; = margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New = Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, = sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); = "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style=3D"border-right-style: none; = border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: = initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; = border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; = padding-top: 3pt; padding-right: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0cm; padding-left: = 0cm; "><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: = 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New = Roman', serif; "><b><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, = sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>AUDITORY - Research in = Auditory Perception [mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx<span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Brian = Gygi<br><b>Sent:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>16 = May 2012 10:13<br><b>To:</b><span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a = href=3D"mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx" style=3D"color: blue; = text-decoration: underline; = ">AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: Do dogs have absolute = pitch?<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; = margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: = 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; = "><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; = margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: = 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: = 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; "><br>Yes, could you train a dog = to howl at 440? That would be a test of the theory = :)<br> </span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; = margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: = 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: = 10pt; ">Brian Gygi, Ph.D.<span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>Senior Research = Fellow<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>National = Biomedical Research Unit in Hearing<span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>113 The Ropewalk<span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>Nottingham, = UK</span><o:p></o:p></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; = margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: = 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; = "> <o:p></o:p></div></div><blockquote style=3D"border-top-style: = none; border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-width: = initial; border-color: initial; border-left-style: solid; = border-left-color: blue; border-left-width: 1.5pt; padding-top: 0cm; = padding-right: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0cm; padding-left: 4pt; margin-left: = 3.75pt; margin-top: 5pt; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 5pt; "><p = class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; = margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: = 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: = Tahoma, sans-serif; ">-----Original Message-----<br><b>From:</b><span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Sam Mathias = [mailto:smathias@xxxxxxxx<br><b>Sent:</b><span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, May 16, 2012 = 01:50 AM<br><b>To:</b><span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a = href=3D"mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx" style=3D"color: blue; = text-decoration: underline; = ">AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: Do dogs have absolute = pitch?<br><br></span>The owner is clearly signalling: skip ahead to the = end of the video, where you can actually see her move her body and look = at the correct key before the dog responds. Since dogs can pick up on = some truly amazing cues from their owners (e.g., they can be trained to = predict epileptic seizures), I think a well-trained dog could accomplish = this easily.<o:p></o:p></p><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; = margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: = 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">On 16 May 2012 02:15, = Kevin Austin <<a href=3D"mailto:kevin.austin@xxxxxxxx" = target=3D"_blank" style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: underline; = ">kevin.austin@xxxxxxxx</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; = margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New = Roman', serif; "><a href=3D"http://www.wimp.com/dogpitch/" = target=3D"_blank" style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: underline; = ">http://www.wimp.com/dogpitch/</a><br><br><br><br>=BF=BF<br><span = style=3D"color: rgb(136, 136, 136); "><br><span = class=3D"hoenzb">Kevin</span></span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; = margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New = Roman', serif; "><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>--<span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>Dr. Samuel R. = Mathias<br>Neural Mechanisms of Human Communication<br>Max Planck = Institute for Human Cognitive and Brain Sciences<br>Stephanstra=DFe = 1<br>04103 Leipzig, Germany<br>Tel: +49 341 9940 = 2479<o:p></o:p></div></blockquote></div></div></span></blockquote></div><b= r><div> <span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: separate; = color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; = font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; = line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: = 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: = 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: = auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><span = class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: separate; color: = rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: = normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: = normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: = normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: = 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: = auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div = style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; = -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" = style=3D"border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: = Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: = normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; = text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; 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"><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" = style=3D"border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: = Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: = normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; = text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; = word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: = auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div = style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; = -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>Dr Jos=E9 Ignacio = Alc=E1ntara<br><br>Department of Experimental Psychology<br>University = of Cambridge<br>Downing Street<br>Cambridge, UK<br>CB2 3EB<br>Phone: 44 = (0)1223 764412<br>Fax: 44 (0)1223 333564<br><br>Fellow of Fitzwilliam = College<br>Cambridge, UK<br>CB3 0DG<br>Phone: 44 (0)1223 = 332026</div></div></span><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"></div></span><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"></div></span><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"></div></span><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"></span><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"> </div> <br></div></div></div></body></html>= --Apple-Mail-9-243655054--