Subject: Re: R&D engineer position on source separation and noise-robust ASR From: Emmanuel Vincent <emmanuel.vincent@xxxxxxxx> Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 21:13:03 +0200 List-Archive:<http://lists.mcgill.ca/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=AUDITORY>Age discrimination is illegal in France indeed, except for specific contracts designed to fight youth unemployment. As written in the offer, we are seeking a person who graduated in 2011 or 2012. Sorry for the mistranslation. Emmanuel ----- Mail original ----- > De: "Mihir Sarkar" <mihir@xxxxxxxx> > À: AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx > Envoyé: Samedi 28 Avril 2012 18:25:41 > Objet: Re: [AUDITORY] R&D engineer position on source separation and noise-robust ASR > Linda, > > A quick Google search shows that age discrimination for employment is > unlawful in the EU since 2001, and it could be that the phrase "young > engineering graduate" is a mistranslation of "jeune diplômé(e)" > (word-to-word "young graduate," but actually meaning "recent > graduate"). In this case it may have to do more with experience than > age. > > However, I remember seeing that some scholarships for doctoral > research in France had an age limit--I don't know if those would fall > under the purview of the law. It's also interesting to note that in > the US some awards are age-sensitive (like MIT's TR35). > > I believe that every language and culture has built-in biases--thanks > for pointing this one out so we can be more aware of them and make > sure they don't turn into discrimination. > > Mihir > > (unaffiliated with the op, just happened to grow up in France... but > came to the US for grad school in part because I was "too old" to take > advantage of some of those age-limited scholarships!) > > > On Apr 27, 2012, at 11:26 PM, Linda Seltzer wrote: > > >> Inria is seeking a young engineering graduate > > > > I do not know the rules in France, but I hope that the community > > will > > kindly note that in the United States age discrimination is illegal. > > This > > is related to the issue of the advancement of women professionally, > > as > > some women pursue education at senior age levels. Employers who > > refuse to > > consider older candidates will miss the opportunity hire some good > > people. > > > > Linda Seltzer > > Consultant, Microsoft -- Emmanuel Vincent METISS Project-Team INRIA Rennes - Bretagne Atlantique Campus de Beaulieu, 35042 Rennes cedex, France Phone: +332 9984 2269 - Fax: +332 9984 7171 Web: http://www.irisa.fr/metiss/members/evincent/