Subject: about job postings From: Robert Zatorre <robert.zatorre@xxxxxxxx> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 10:34:25 -0400 List-Archive:<http://lists.mcgill.ca/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=AUDITORY>dear colleagues there has now been more traffic about the job postings than there are job postings themselves! The consensus is clearly that almost everyone (with the notable exception of the grumpy person who left anyway) is reasonably to very happy with job postings. So: may I humbly propose that we leave the system as is since most people approve of it, and move on to discuss other matters? Thank you Robert -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Robert J. Zatorre, Ph.D. Montreal Neurological Institute 3801 University St. Montreal, QC Canada H3A 2B4 phone: 1-514-398-8903 fax: 1-514-398-1338 e-mail: robert.zatorre@xxxxxxxx web site: www.zlab.mcgill.ca On 27/03/2012 01:24, Al Bregman wrote: > Hi Pawel, > > Personally, I see no objection to "Position Sought" notices, if it helps > competent people to remain active in the field. > > I have no idea about how many postings that would entail, but we can try > it out, asking people to use their discretion in not re-posting too > often. Again, members of the list could set their email software to > filter such messages out, if they didn't want to see them. People who > post availability notices should just be sure to start the Subject field > with the above phrase. > > Al > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Albert S. Bregman, Emeritus Professor > Psychology Department, McGill University > 1205 Doctor Penfield Avenue > Montreal, QC, Canada H3A 1B1. > Office: Phone: (514) three-nine-eight-6103, > Fax: (514) three-nine-eight-4896 > http://webpages.mcgill.ca/staff/Group2/abregm1/web/ > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > 2012/3/26 Paweł Kuśmierek <pawel.kusmierek@xxxxxxxx > <mailto:pawel.kusmierek@xxxxxxxx>> > > What about "Position sought"? > Pawel > > On 26 March 2012 07:58, Al Bregman <al.bregman@xxxxxxxx > <mailto:al.bregman@xxxxxxxx>> wrote: > > May I suggest that we try using the phrase "Position available" > (without the quotes) as the first two words in the Subject field (no > other constraints -- any words may follow), and see how it works > out? > > If people decide, after a while, that this constraint on the > first two > > words in the Subject field of job announcements is too onerous, > we can > drop the idea. > > Best to all, > Al > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Albert S. Bregman, Emeritus Professor > Psychology Department, McGill University > 1205 Doctor Penfield Avenue > Montreal, QC, Canada H3A 1B1. > Office: Phone: (514) three-nine-eight-6103, > > Fax: (514) three-nine-eight-4896 > http://webpages.mcgill.ca/staff/Group2/abregm1/web/ > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 3:19 AM, Stefan Muenkner > <stefan.muenkner@xxxxxxxx > <mailto:stefan.muenkner@xxxxxxxx>> wrote: > > perhaps there is sort of a compromise here: If the listserv > software could > > be persuaded to accept mails at auditory-joboffers@xxxxxxxx and > forward/send > > that to the auditory list with an additional/changed label (like > > [AUDITORY-POSITION] or [AUDITORY] [POSITION AVALAIBLE]) it > would not > > generate any more list maintenance work, and it would supply > a reliable > > label that could be sorted easily by message filters > > > > > > I am not certain whether that's possible with the listserv > software though . > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Stefan > > > > On 26.03.2012 05 <tel:26.03.2012%2005>:19, Al Bregman wrote: > >> Hi Camille, > >> > >> I have two thoughts about your proposal of a separate list > for job > >> position notices: > >> > >> 1. It would require someone to set up and maintain such a > list. Are > >> you volunteering? > >> > >> 2. Job seekers would have to know that the list existed. > Right now, > >> the AUDITORY list is fairly well known. Also those of us who > >> regularly read it will often re-direct the job notices to > students and > >> others who are not list members, and suggest that they join > the list > >> to receive future notices. This is one way that new people > hear about > >> the list. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Al > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 1:49 PM, Peres, S. Camille > <PeresSC@xxxxxxxx <mailto:PeresSC@xxxxxxxx>> wrote: > >>> Another thought is to have a separate list serve for > auditory related job postings. I know of at least two other > organizations that do this. > >>> > >>> Cheers, Camille > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> > >>> On Mar 24, 2012, at 8:53 PM, "Al Bregman" > <al.bregman@xxxxxxxx <mailto:al.bregman@xxxxxxxx>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hi Everybody, > >>>> May I make the following suggestion to deal with the > objection of some > >>>> list members to receiving job notices? People who were > posting a job > >>>> or position opening could start the Subject line of their > posting with > >>>> the phrase "Position available". Those who didn't want to > look at > >>>> such postings could just set up a filter in their email > programs to > >>>> delete messages whose subject line contained this phrase > or direct > >>>> such messages to a separate folder. > >>>> Best, > >>>> Al > >>>> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> Albert S. Bregman, Emeritus Professor > >>>> Psychology Department, McGill University > >>>> 1205 Doctor Penfield Avenue > >>>> Montreal, QC, Canada H3A 1B1. > >>>> Office: Phone: (514) 398-6103 <tel:%28514%29%20398-6103>, > Fax: (514) 398-4896 <tel:%28514%29%20398-4896> > >>>> http://webpages.mcgill.ca/staff/Group2/abregm1/web/ > >>>> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 8:35 PM, Bruno L. Giordano > >>>> <bruno.giordano@xxxxxxxx > <mailto:bruno.giordano@xxxxxxxx>> wrote: > >>>>> Some numbers are never a bad idea. > >>>>> > >>>>> Barry is right in observing an accelerating job-posting > trend (see figure; > >>>>> 2012 is rough expected number of messages with either job > or position or > >>>>> professor in subject). I was expecting a valley of death > around 2008, but I > >>>>> see only a tiny meaningless dip. > >>>>> > >>>>> This trend is comforting to myself and to many > individuals: I do hope it > >>>>> keeps up, at least until I find my dream job ;-) > >>>>> > >>>>> Bruno > >>>>> > >>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >>>>> Bruno L. Giordano, PhD > >>>>> Voice Neurocognition Laboratory (CCNi, Glasgow Univ) & > >>>>> Affiliate member of Music Research Dept. (McGill Univ, > Montréal) > >>>>> URL: http://www.brunolgiordano.net > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On 24/03/2012 10:42 PM, Marcelo Caetano wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Hello everyone, > >>>>>> I don`t want to be rude or create any problems, but I > happen to think > >>>>>> that if someone just wants to leave the list, all the > person needs to do > >>>>>> is follow the instructions onhttp://www.auditory.org/ > <http://www.auditory.org/> (copied below for > >>>>>> > >>>>>> reference). I had the impression that Barry also wanted > us to know the > >>>>>> reason he chose to leave. Even though I don`t think this > alone is a > >>>>>> reason for remarks, I do believe it to be a good topic > for discussion. > >>>>>> Marcelo > >>>>>> > >>>>>> PS. In time, I found my current postdoc position here > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Joining and leaving the AUDITORY list > >>>>>> > >>>>>> By joining the AUDITORY email list, you will receive all > the postings > >>>>>> via email, and you will be able to contribute to the > discussions. You > >>>>>> can join the list by filling in the form on the AUDITORY > membership > >>>>>> questionnaire <http://www.auditory.org/dpwe-bin/audform>. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Subscribed members can leave the AUDITORY list, or > modify their current > >>>>>> details (including email address) by visiting their > private AUDITORY > >>>>>> information edit page, and selecting the "no messages" > option at the > >>>>>> bottom of that page. Please refer to the message you > received when > >>>>>> joining the list for the URL of the edit page, or you > can contact me to > >>>>>> retrieve it for you > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>>>>> *De:* Al Bregman <al.bregman@xxxxxxxx > <mailto:al.bregman@xxxxxxxx>> > >>>>>> *Para:* AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx > <mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx> > >>>>>> *Enviadas:* Sexta-feira, 23 de Março de 2012 9:41 > >>>>>> *Assunto:* Re: [AUDITORY] UNSUBSCRIBE > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Dear Tony, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I think that all Barry requested was to be removed from > the list, not > >>>>>> that we discontinue the notices of available positions. > I think we > >>>>>> can honor his request without eliminating the job > notices, which I > >>>>>> agree are very useful. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Al > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>> Albert S. Bregman, Emeritus Professor > >>>>>> Psychology Department, McGill University > >>>>>> 1205 Doctor Penfield Avenue > >>>>>> Montreal, QC, Canada H3A 1B1. > >>>>>> Office: Phone: (514) 398-6103 > <tel:%28514%29%20398-6103>, Fax: (514) 398-4896 > <tel:%28514%29%20398-4896> > >>>>>> http://webpages.mcgill.ca/staff/Group2/abregm1/web/ > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Tony Miller > >>>>>> <antonio.miller@xxxxxxxx > <mailto:antonio.miller@xxxxxxxx> > <mailto:antonio.miller@xxxxxxxx > <mailto:antonio.miller@xxxxxxxx>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > Easy to say for someone who hasn't had to look for a > position since > >>>>>> > 1971. I say keep the job postings. There is nothing > frivolous about > >>>>>> > getting students into academic or industrial positions. > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > -Tony > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Barry Vercoe > <bv@xxxxxxxx <mailto:bv@xxxxxxxx> > >>>>>> <mailto:bv@xxxxxxxx <mailto:bv@xxxxxxxx>>> wrote: > >>>>>> >> Please remove me from ALL Auditory mailing lists. It > has become > >>>>>> a jobs > >>>>>> >> advertising list and is jamming up my mail box. This > is too bad. > >>>>>> >> -- barry vercoe, MIT > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > > > -- > > Stefan Münkner > > FR 2.5 Biophysik > > Universität des Saarlandes > > Campus Homburg > > Gebäude 76 > > D-66421 Homburg/Saar > > .................................................. > > phone +49 6841 16-26222 <tel:%2B49%206841%2016-26222> fax +49 > 6841 16-26211 <tel:%2B49%206841%2016-26211> > > http://www.uniklinikum-saarland.de/biophysik/ > > >