Subject: Re: UNSUBSCRIBE From: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Pawe=B3_Ku=B6mierek?= <pawel.kusmierek@xxxxxxxx> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 21:35:42 -0400 List-Archive:<http://lists.mcgill.ca/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=AUDITORY>--0015175d03d22619fa04bc2f8426 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What about "Position sought"? Pawel On 26 March 2012 07:58, Al Bregman <al.bregman@xxxxxxxx> wrote: > May I suggest that we try using the phrase "Position available" > (without the quotes) as the first two words in the Subject field (no > other constraints -- any words may follow), and see how it works out? > > > If people decide, after a while, that this constraint on the first two > words in the Subject field of job announcements is too onerous, we can > drop the idea. > > Best to all, > Al > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- > Albert S. Bregman, Emeritus Professor > Psychology Department, McGill University > 1205 Doctor Penfield Avenue > Montreal, QC, Canada H3A 1B1. > Office: Phone: (514) three-nine-eight-6103, > Fax: (514) three-nine-eight-4896 > http://webpages.mcgill.ca/staff/Group2/abregm1/web/ > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- > > > > On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 3:19 AM, Stefan Muenkner > <stefan.muenkner@xxxxxxxx> wrote: > > perhaps there is sort of a compromise here: If the listserv software > could > > be persuaded to accept mails at auditory-joboffers@xxxxxxxx and forward/sen= d > > that to the auditory list with an additional/changed label (like > > [AUDITORY-POSITION] or [AUDITORY] [POSITION AVALAIBLE]) it would not > > generate any more list maintenance work, and it would supply a reliable > > label that could be sorted easily by message filters > > > > > > I am not certain whether that's possible with the listserv software > though . > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Stefan > > > > On 26.03.2012 05:19, Al Bregman wrote: > >> Hi Camille, > >> > >> I have two thoughts about your proposal of a separate list for job > >> position notices: > >> > >> 1. It would require someone to set up and maintain such a list. Are > >> you volunteering? > >> > >> 2. Job seekers would have to know that the list existed. Right now, > >> the AUDITORY list is fairly well known. Also those of us who > >> regularly read it will often re-direct the job notices to students and > >> others who are not list members, and suggest that they join the list > >> to receive future notices. This is one way that new people hear about > >> the list. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Al > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 1:49 PM, Peres, S. Camille <PeresSC@xxxxxxxx> > wrote: > >>> Another thought is to have a separate list serve for auditory related > job postings. I know of at least two other organizations that do this. > >>> > >>> Cheers, Camille > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> > >>> On Mar 24, 2012, at 8:53 PM, "Al Bregman" <al.bregman@xxxxxxxx> > wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hi Everybody, > >>>> May I make the following suggestion to deal with the objection of so= me > >>>> list members to receiving job notices? People who were posting a jo= b > >>>> or position opening could start the Subject line of their posting wi= th > >>>> the phrase "Position available". Those who didn't want to look at > >>>> such postings could just set up a filter in their email programs to > >>>> delete messages whose subject line contained this phrase or direct > >>>> such messages to a separate folder. > >>>> Best, > >>>> Al > >>>> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- > >>>> Albert S. Bregman, Emeritus Professor > >>>> Psychology Department, McGill University > >>>> 1205 Doctor Penfield Avenue > >>>> Montreal, QC, Canada H3A 1B1. > >>>> Office: Phone: (514) 398-6103, Fax: (514) 398-4896 > >>>> http://webpages.mcgill.ca/staff/Group2/abregm1/web/ > >>>> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 8:35 PM, Bruno L. Giordano > >>>> <bruno.giordano@xxxxxxxx> wrote: > >>>>> Some numbers are never a bad idea. > >>>>> > >>>>> Barry is right in observing an accelerating job-posting trend (see > figure; > >>>>> 2012 is rough expected number of messages with either job or > position or > >>>>> professor in subject). I was expecting a valley of death around > 2008, but I > >>>>> see only a tiny meaningless dip. > >>>>> > >>>>> This trend is comforting to myself and to many individuals: I do > hope it > >>>>> keeps up, at least until I find my dream job ;-) > >>>>> > >>>>> Bruno > >>>>> > >>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >>>>> Bruno L. Giordano, PhD > >>>>> Voice Neurocognition Laboratory (CCNi, Glasgow Univ) & > >>>>> Affiliate member of Music Research Dept. (McGill Univ, Montr=E9al) > >>>>> URL: http://www.brunolgiordano.net > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On 24/03/2012 10:42 PM, Marcelo Caetano wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Hello everyone, > >>>>>> I don`t want to be rude or create any problems, but I happen to > think > >>>>>> that if someone just wants to leave the list, all the person needs > to do > >>>>>> is follow the instructions onhttp://www.auditory.org/ (copied > below for > >>>>>> > >>>>>> reference). I had the impression that Barry also wanted us to know > the > >>>>>> reason he chose to leave. Even though I don`t think this alone is = a > >>>>>> reason for remarks, I do believe it to be a good topic for > discussion. > >>>>>> Marcelo > >>>>>> > >>>>>> PS. In time, I found my current postdoc position here > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Joining and leaving the AUDITORY list > >>>>>> > >>>>>> By joining the AUDITORY email list, you will receive all the > postings > >>>>>> via email, and you will be able to contribute to the discussions. > You > >>>>>> can join the list by filling in the form on the AUDITORY membershi= p > >>>>>> questionnaire <http://www.auditory.org/dpwe-bin/audform>. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Subscribed members can leave the AUDITORY list, or modify their > current > >>>>>> details (including email address) by visiting their private AUDITO= RY > >>>>>> information edit page, and selecting the "no messages" option at t= he > >>>>>> bottom of that page. Please refer to the message you received when > >>>>>> joining the list for the URL of the edit page, or you can contact > me to > >>>>>> retrieve it for you > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>>>>> *De:* Al Bregman <al.bregman@xxxxxxxx> > >>>>>> *Para:* AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx > >>>>>> *Enviadas:* Sexta-feira, 23 de Mar=E7o de 2012 9:41 > >>>>>> *Assunto:* Re: [AUDITORY] UNSUBSCRIBE > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Dear Tony, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I think that all Barry requested was to be removed from the > list, not > >>>>>> that we discontinue the notices of available positions. I think > we > >>>>>> can honor his request without eliminating the job notices, whic= h > I > >>>>>> agree are very useful. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Al > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- > >>>>>> Albert S. Bregman, Emeritus Professor > >>>>>> Psychology Department, McGill University > >>>>>> 1205 Doctor Penfield Avenue > >>>>>> Montreal, QC, Canada H3A 1B1. > >>>>>> Office: Phone: (514) 398-6103, Fax: (514) 398-4896 > >>>>>> http://webpages.mcgill.ca/staff/Group2/abregm1/web/ > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Tony Miller > >>>>>> <antonio.miller@xxxxxxxx <mailto:antonio.miller@xxxxxxxx>> > wrote: > >>>>>> > Easy to say for someone who hasn't had to look for a positio= n > since > >>>>>> > 1971. I say keep the job postings. There is nothing frivolou= s > about > >>>>>> > getting students into academic or industrial positions. > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > -Tony > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Barry Vercoe < > bv@xxxxxxxx > >>>>>> <mailto:bv@xxxxxxxx>> wrote: > >>>>>> >> Please remove me from ALL Auditory mailing lists. It has > become > >>>>>> a jobs > >>>>>> >> advertising list and is jamming up my mail box. This is too > bad. > >>>>>> >> -- barry vercoe, MIT > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > > > -- > > Stefan M=FCnkner > > FR 2.5 Biophysik > > Universit=E4t des Saarlandes > > Campus Homburg > > Geb=E4ude 76 > > D-66421 Homburg/Saar > > .................................................. > > phone +49 6841 16-26222 fax +49 6841 16-26211 > > http://www.uniklinikum-saarland.de/biophysik/ > --0015175d03d22619fa04bc2f8426 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div>What about "Position sought"?</div><div>=A0</div><div>Pawel<= br><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 26 March 2012 07:58, Al Bregman = <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:al.bregman@xxxxxxxx">al.bregman@xxxxxxxx= gill.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-= color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid" class= =3D"gmail_quote">May I suggest that we try using the phrase "Position = available"<br> (without the quotes) as the first two words in the Subject field (no<br> other constraints -- any words may follow), and see how it works out?<br> <br></blockquote><div>=A0</div><div>=A0</div><div>=A0</div><div>=A0</div><d= iv>=A0</div><div>=A0</div><div>=A0</div><div>=A0</div><div>=A0</div><div>= =A0</div><div>=A0</div><blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;paddin= g-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-= left-style:solid" class=3D"gmail_quote"> If people decide, after a while, that this constraint on the first two<br> words in the Subject field of job announcements is too onerous, we can<br> drop the idea.<br> <br> Best to all,<br> <div class=3D"im">Al<br> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --<br> Albert S. Bregman, Emeritus Professor<br> Psychology Department, McGill University<br> 1205 Doctor Penfield Avenue<br> Montreal, QC, Canada H3A 1B1.<br> </div>Office:=A0 Phone: (514) three-nine-eight-6103,<br> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Fax: (514) three-nine-eight-4896<br> <a href=3D"http://webpages.mcgill.ca/staff/Group2/abregm1/web/" target=3D"_= blank">http://webpages.mcgill.ca/staff/Group2/abregm1/web/</a><br> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --<br> <div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br> <br> <br> On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 3:19 AM, Stefan Muenkner<br> <<a href=3D"mailto:stefan.muenkner@xxxxxxxx">stefan.muenkner@xxxxxxxx= x.uni-saarland.de</a>> wrote:<br> > perhaps there is sort of a compromise here: If the listserv software c= ould<br> > be persuaded to accept mails at auditory-joboffers@xxxxxxxx and forward/se= nd<br> > that to the auditory list with an additional/changed label (like<br> > [AUDITORY-POSITION] or [AUDITORY] [POSITION AVALAIBLE]) it would not<b= r> > generate any more list maintenance work, and it would supply a reliabl= e<br> > label that could be sorted easily by message filters<br> ><br> ><br> > I am not certain whether that's possible with the listserv softwar= e though .<br> ><br> ><br> > Cheers,<br> ><br> > =A0Stefan<br> ><br> > On <a href=3D"tel:26.03.2012%2005" value=3D"+12603201205">26.03.2012 0= 5</a>:19, Al Bregman wrote:<br> >> Hi Camille,<br> >><br> >> I have two thoughts about your proposal of a separate list for job= <br> >> position notices:<br> >><br> >> 1. =A0It would require someone to set up and maintain such a list.= =A0Are<br> >> you volunteering?<br> >><br> >> 2. =A0Job seekers would have to know that the list existed. =A0Rig= ht now,<br> >> the AUDITORY list is fairly well known. =A0Also those of us who<br= > >> regularly read it will often re-direct the job notices to students= and<br> >> others who are not list members, and suggest that they join the li= st<br> >> to receive future notices. =A0This is one way that new people hear= about<br> >> the list.<br> >><br> >> Cheers,<br> >> Al<br> >><br> >><br> >><br> >><br> >> On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 1:49 PM, Peres, S. Camille <<a href=3D"= mailto:PeresSC@xxxxxxxx">PeresSC@xxxxxxxx</a>> wrote:<br> >>> Another thought is to have a separate list serve for auditory = related job postings. I know of at least two other organizations that do th= is.<br> >>><br> >>> Cheers, Camille<br> >>><br> >>> Sent from my iPhone<br> >>><br> >>> On Mar 24, 2012, at 8:53 PM, "Al Bregman" <<a hre= f=3D"mailto:al.bregman@xxxxxxxx">al.bregman@xxxxxxxx</a>> wrote:<br> >>><br> >>>> Hi Everybody,<br> >>>> May I make the following suggestion to deal with the objec= tion of some<br> >>>> list members to receiving job notices? =A0People who were = posting a job<br> >>>> or position opening could start the Subject line of their = posting with<br> >>>> the phrase "Position available". =A0Those who di= dn't want to look at<br> >>>> such postings could just set up a filter in their email pr= ograms to<br> >>>> delete messages whose subject line contained this phrase o= r direct<br> >>>> such messages to a separate folder.<br> >>>> Best,<br> >>>> Al<br> >>>> ----------------------------------------------------------= -------------------<br> >>>> Albert S. Bregman, Emeritus Professor<br> >>>> Psychology Department, McGill University<br> >>>> 1205 Doctor Penfield Avenue<br> >>>> Montreal, QC, Canada H3A 1B1.<br> >>>> Office: =A0Phone: <a href=3D"tel:%28514%29%20398-6103" val= ue=3D"+15143986103">(514) 398-6103</a>, Fax: <a href=3D"tel:%28514%29%20398= -4896" value=3D"+15143984896">(514) 398-4896</a><br> >>>> <a href=3D"http://webpages.mcgill.ca/staff/Group2/abregm1/= web/" target=3D"_blank">http://webpages.mcgill.ca/staff/Group2/abregm1/web/= </a><br> >>>> ----------------------------------------------------------= -------------------<br> >>>><br> >>>><br> >>>><br> >>>> On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 8:35 PM, Bruno L. Giordano<br> >>>> <<a href=3D"mailto:bruno.giordano@xxxxxxxx">brun= o.giordano@xxxxxxxx</a>> wrote:<br> >>>>> Some numbers are never a bad idea.<br> >>>>><br> >>>>> Barry is right in observing an accelerating job-postin= g trend (see figure;<br> >>>>> 2012 is rough expected number of messages with either = job or position or<br> >>>>> professor in subject). I was expecting a valley of dea= th around 2008, but I<br> >>>>> see only a tiny meaningless dip.<br> >>>>><br> >>>>> This trend is comforting to myself and to many individ= uals: I do hope it<br> >>>>> keeps up, at least until I find my dream job ;-)<br> >>>>><br> >>>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Bruno<br> >>>>><br> >>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<br> >>>>> Bruno L. Giordano, PhD<br> >>>>> Voice Neurocognition Laboratory (CCNi, Glasgow Univ) &= amp;<br> >>>>> Affiliate member of Music Research Dept. (McGill Univ,= Montr=E9al)<br> >>>>> URL: <a href=3D"http://www.brunolgiordano.net" target= =3D"_blank">http://www.brunolgiordano.net</a><br> >>>>><br> >>>>><br> >>>>> On 24/03/2012 10:42 PM, Marcelo Caetano wrote:<br> >>>>>><br> >>>>>> Hello everyone,<br> >>>>>> I don`t want to be rude or create any problems, bu= t I happen to think<br> >>>>>> that if someone just wants to leave the list, all = the person needs to do<br> >>>>>> is follow the instructions onhttp://<a href=3D"htt= p://www.auditory.org/" target=3D"_blank">www.auditory.org/</a> (copied belo= w for<br> >>>>>><br> >>>>>> reference). I had the impression that Barry also w= anted us to know the<br> >>>>>> reason he chose to leave. Even though I don`t thin= k this alone is a<br> >>>>>> reason for remarks, I do believe it to be a good t= opic for discussion.<br> >>>>>> Marcelo<br> >>>>>><br> >>>>>> PS. In time, I found my current postdoc position h= ere<br> >>>>>><br> >>>>>><br> >>>>>> =A0 =A0Joining and leaving the AUDITORY list<br> >>>>>><br> >>>>>> By joining the AUDITORY email list, you will recei= ve all the postings<br> >>>>>> via email, and you will be able to contribute to t= he discussions. You<br> >>>>>> can join the list by filling in the form on the AU= DITORY membership<br> >>>>>> questionnaire <<a href=3D"http://www.auditory.o= rg/dpwe-bin/audform" target=3D"_blank">http://www.auditory.org/dpwe-bin/aud= form</a>>.<br> >>>>>><br> >>>>>> Subscribed members can leave the AUDITORY list, or= modify their current<br> >>>>>> details (including email address) by visiting thei= r private AUDITORY<br> >>>>>> information edit page, and selecting the "no = messages" option at the<br> >>>>>> bottom of that page. Please refer to the message y= ou received when<br> >>>>>> joining the list for the URL of the edit page, or = you can contact me to<br> >>>>>> retrieve it for you<br> >>>>>><br> >>>>>><br> >>>>>><br> >>>>>> =A0-----------------------------------------------= -------------------------<br> >>>>>> =A0 =A0*De:* Al Bregman <<a href=3D"mailto:al.b= regman@xxxxxxxx">al.bregman@xxxxxxxx</a>><br> >>>>>> =A0 =A0*Para:* <a href=3D"mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx= GILL.CA">AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx</a><br> >>>>>> =A0 =A0*Enviadas:* Sexta-feira, 23 de Mar=E7o de 2= 012 9:41<br> >>>>>> =A0 =A0*Assunto:* Re: [AUDITORY] UNSUBSCRIBE<br> >>>>>><br> >>>>>><br> >>>>>> =A0 =A0Dear Tony,<br> >>>>>><br> >>>>>> =A0 =A0I think that all Barry requested was to be = removed from the list, not<br> >>>>>> =A0 =A0that we discontinue the notices of availabl= e positions. I think we<br> >>>>>> =A0 =A0can honor his request without eliminating t= he job notices, which I<br> >>>>>> =A0 =A0agree are very useful.<br> >>>>>><br> >>>>>> =A0 =A0Al<br> >>>>>><br> >>>>>> =A0-----------------------------------------------= ------------------------------<br> >>>>>> =A0 =A0Albert S. Bregman, Emeritus Professor<br> >>>>>> =A0 =A0Psychology Department, McGill University<br= > >>>>>> =A0 =A01205 Doctor Penfield Avenue<br> >>>>>> =A0 =A0Montreal, QC, Canada H3A 1B1.<br> >>>>>> =A0 =A0Office: Phone: <a href=3D"tel:%28514%29%203= 98-6103" value=3D"+15143986103">(514) 398-6103</a>, Fax: <a href=3D"tel:%28= 514%29%20398-4896" value=3D"+15143984896">(514) 398-4896</a><br> >>>>>> =A0 =A0<a href=3D"http://webpages.mcgill.ca/staff/= Group2/abregm1/web/" target=3D"_blank">http://webpages.mcgill.ca/staff/Grou= p2/abregm1/web/</a><br> >>>>>><br> >>>>>> =A0-----------------------------------------------= ------------------------------<br> >>>>>><br> >>>>>><br> >>>>>><br> >>>>>> =A0 =A0On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Tony Mille= r<br> >>>>>> =A0 =A0<<a href=3D"mailto:antonio.miller@xxxxxxxx= com">antonio.miller@xxxxxxxx</a> <mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:antonio.mill= er@xxxxxxxx">antonio.miller@xxxxxxxx</a>>> wrote:<br> >>>>>> =A0 =A0 > Easy to say for someone who hasn'= t had to look for a position since<br> >>>>>> =A0 =A0 > 1971. I say keep the job postings. Th= ere is nothing frivolous about<br> >>>>>> =A0 =A0 > getting students into academic or ind= ustrial positions.<br> >>>>>> =A0 =A0 ><br> >>>>>> =A0 =A0 > -Tony<br> >>>>>> =A0 =A0 ><br> >>>>>> =A0 =A0 > On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Barr= y Vercoe <<a href=3D"mailto:bv@xxxxxxxx">bv@xxxxxxxx</a><br> >>>>>> =A0 =A0<mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:bv@xxxxxxxx= du">bv@xxxxxxxx</a>>> wrote:<br> >>>>>> =A0 =A0 >> Please remove me from ALL Auditor= y mailing lists. It has become<br> >>>>>> =A0 =A0a jobs<br> >>>>>> =A0 =A0 >> advertising list and is jamming u= p my mail box. This is too bad.<br> >>>>>> =A0 =A0 >> -- barry vercoe, MIT<br> >>>>>><br> >>>>>><br> >>>>><br> ><br> ><br> > --<br> > =A0Stefan M=FCnkner<br> > =A0FR 2.5 Biophysik<br> > =A0Universit=E4t des Saarlandes<br> > =A0Campus Homburg<br> > =A0Geb=E4ude 76<br> > =A0D-66421 Homburg/Saar<br> > ..................................................<br> > phone <a href=3D"tel:%2B49%206841%2016-26222" value=3D"+4968411626222"= >+49 6841 16-26222</a> =A0 =A0 fax =A0 <a href=3D"tel:%2B49%206841%2016-262= 11" value=3D"+4968411626211">+49 6841 16-26211</a><br> > <a href=3D"http://www.uniklinikum-saarland.de/biophysik/" target=3D"_b= lank">http://www.uniklinikum-saarland.de/biophysik/</a><br> </div></div></blockquote></div><br> --0015175d03d22619fa04bc2f8426--