Re: What animal model provides the closest match to human vocalization? (Beth Brittan-Powell )


Subject: Re: What animal model provides the closest match to human vocalization?
From:    Beth Brittan-Powell  <bbrittanpowell@xxxxxxxx>
Date:    Wed, 2 Mar 2011 07:27:31 -0500
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If you are reading this text, you may want to consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to properly handle MIME multipart messages. --=__PartDFF3F1A3.0__= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by drizzle.cc.mcgill.ca id p22CRnTQ024766 =20 If you are talking about importance of communication, learning of vocalizations, auditory feedback for the learning and maintenance of vocal communication and function of the vocal apparatus - then birds actually do come the closest. =20 If you mean mimicking human speech, then Jose is correct - parrots would be the closest in that respect. =20 Beth =20 =20 *************************************************************** Beth Brittan-Powell, PhD Neuroscience and Cognitive Science Grants Development =20 Dept of Psychology University of Maryland 2123A Bio-Psyc Building College Park, MD 20742 =20 Office phone: 301-405-2978 Fax: 301-314-9566 =20 bbrittanpowell@xxxxxxxx ( mailto:bbritpowUMD@xxxxxxxx )=20 =20 *************************************************************** >>> Jos=C3=A9 Ignacio Alc=C3=A1ntara <jia10@xxxxxxxx> 3/2/2011 4:02 AM >= >> I think that most of what we can infer about the functional organisation of the human auditory cortical system comes from the neuroanatomy and neurophysiological studies of the Macaque brain. The problem with this is that vocalisation isn't an important form of communication in this species. Even if we can assume similarities b/w the functional organisation of the macaque and human (auditory) brain, functional specialisation must diverge in the two species at, or before, the point where speech-specific processing begins in humans. Don't know about the closest animal model to human vocalisation. If you're looking for a good vocal match, it seems to me a parrot does a pretty good job, not only because the vocalisation is intelligible, but also because the sound quality is disturbingly similar to human speech.=20 But I don't think this is what you were after? Jose On 2 Mar 2011, at 08:33, Pete Howell wrote: Birds and mice have been used in studies intended to establish how genetic mutations affect vocalization. It seems to me that neither of these produce sounds that are close to those that humans produce. I wondered whether members of the list have suggestions about what animal model provides the closest match to human vocalization and audition. In terms of vocalization, primates or whales/porpoises seem contenders, but few labs can provide facilities for these. Peter Howell ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Psychology and Language Sciences University College London 26 Bedford Way London WC1H 0AP Direct line: 020 7 679 7566 Fax 020 7436 4276 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________ Dr Jos=C3=A9 Ignacio Alc=C3=A1ntara Department of Experimental Psychology University of Cambridge Downing Street Cambridge, UK CB2 3EB Phone: +44 (0)1223 764412 Fax: +44 (0)1223 333564 Fellow of Fitzwilliam College Storey's Way Cambridge, UK CB3 0DG Phone: +44 (0)1223 472126 P Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail --=__PartDFF3F1A3.0__= Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Description: HTML Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.6000.17095" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY style=3D"MARGIN: 4px 4px 1px; FONT: 12pt Arial; WORD-WRAP: break-word= ; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space"> <DIV><BR>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV> <DIV>If you are talking about importance of communication, learning of = vocalizations, auditory feedback for the learning and maintenance of vocal = communication and function of the vocal apparatus - then birds actually do = come the closest.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>If you mean mimicking human speech, then Jose is correct - parrots = would be the closest in that respect.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Beth</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV> <DIV><BR> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; LINE-HEIGHT: normal"><SP= AN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; mso-fareast= -font-family: 'Times New Roman'">******************************************= *********************<BR></SPAN></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; LINE-HEIGHT: normal"><SP= AN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; 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FONT-FAMILY: = 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><o:p= ></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV></DIV> <DIV><BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; Jos=C3=A9 Ignacio Alc=C3=A1ntara &lt;jia10@xxxxxxxx&= gt; 3/2/2011 4:02 AM &gt;&gt;&gt;<BR>I think that most of what we can = infer about the functional organisation of the human auditory cortical = system comes from the neuroanatomy and neurophysiological studies of the = Macaque brain. &nbsp;The problem with this is that vocalisation isn't an = important form of communication in this species. &nbsp;Even if we can = assume similarities b/w the functional organisation of the macaque and = human (auditory) brain, functional specialisation must diverge in the two = species at, or before, the point where speech-specific processing begins = in humans.</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>Don't know about the closest animal model to human vocalisation. = &nbsp;If you're looking for a good vocal match, it seems to me a parrot = does a pretty good job, not only because the vocalisation is intelligible, = but also because the sound quality is disturbingly similar to human = speech. &nbsp;But I don't think this is what you were after?</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>Jose</DIV> <DIV><BR> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><BR> <DIV> <DIV>On 2 Mar 2011, at 08:33, Pete Howell wrote:</DIV><BR class=3DApple-int= erchange-newline> <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"> <DIV>Birds and mice have been used in studies intended to establish how = genetic mutations affect vocalization. It seems to me that neither of = these produce sounds that are close to those that humans produce. I = wondered whether members of the list have suggestions about what &nbsp;anim= al model provides the closest match to human vocalization and audition. In = terms of vocalization, primates or whales/porpoises seem contenders, but = few labs can provide facilities for these.<BR>Peter Howell<BR><BR><BR><BR>-= ---------------------------------------------------------------------<BR><B= R>Psychology and Language Sciences<BR>University College London<BR>26 = Bedford Way<BR>London WC1H 0AP<BR>Direct line: 020 7 679 7566<BR>Fax 020 = 7436 4276<BR><BR>----------------------------------------------------------= ------------<BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR> <DIV apple-content-edited=3D"true"> <DIV style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica; WORD-WRAP: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-m= ode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space"><SPAN class=3DApple-styl= e-span style=3D"WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: medium Helvetica; TEXT-TRANSFORM: = none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPAC= ING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; orphans: 2; widows: 2; -webkit-bord= er-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; 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