Re: What animal model provides the closest match to human vocalization? (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Ignacio_Alc=E1ntara?= )


Subject: Re: What animal model provides the closest match to human vocalization?
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Date:    Wed, 2 Mar 2011 09:02:54 +0000
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--Apple-Mail-52-774311292 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think that most of what we can infer about the functional =20 organisation of the human auditory cortical system comes from the =20 neuroanatomy and neurophysiological studies of the Macaque brain. The =20= problem with this is that vocalisation isn't an important form of =20 communication in this species. Even if we can assume similarities b/w =20= the functional organisation of the macaque and human (auditory) brain, =20= functional specialisation must diverge in the two species at, or =20 before, the point where speech-specific processing begins in humans. Don't know about the closest animal model to human vocalisation. If =20 you're looking for a good vocal match, it seems to me a parrot does a =20= pretty good job, not only because the vocalisation is intelligible, =20 but also because the sound quality is disturbingly similar to human =20 speech. But I don't think this is what you were after? Jose On 2 Mar 2011, at 08:33, Pete Howell wrote: > Birds and mice have been used in studies intended to establish how =20 > genetic mutations affect vocalization. It seems to me that neither =20 > of these produce sounds that are close to those that humans produce. =20= > I wondered whether members of the list have suggestions about what =20= > animal model provides the closest match to human vocalization and =20 > audition. In terms of vocalization, primates or whales/porpoises =20 > seem contenders, but few labs can provide facilities for these. > Peter Howell > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Psychology and Language Sciences > University College London > 26 Bedford Way > London WC1H 0AP > Direct line: 020 7 679 7566 > Fax 020 7436 4276 > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________ Dr Jos=E9 Ignacio Alc=E1ntara Department of Experimental Psychology University of Cambridge Downing Street Cambridge, UK CB2 3EB Phone: +44 (0)1223 764412 Fax: +44 (0)1223 333564 Fellow of Fitzwilliam College Storey's Way Cambridge, UK CB3 0DG Phone: +44 (0)1223 472126 P Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail --Apple-Mail-52-774311292 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; = -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">I think that most of what we = can infer about the functional organisation of the human auditory = cortical system comes from the neuroanatomy and neurophysiological = studies of the Macaque brain. &nbsp;The problem with this is that = vocalisation isn't an important form of communication in this species. = &nbsp;Even if we can assume similarities b/w the functional organisation = of the macaque and human (auditory) brain, functional specialisation = must diverge in the two species at, or before, the point where = speech-specific processing begins in humans.<div><br></div><div>Don't = know about the closest animal model to human vocalisation. &nbsp;If = you're looking for a good vocal match, it seems to me a parrot does a = pretty good job, not only because the vocalisation is intelligible, but = also because the sound quality is disturbingly similar to human speech. = &nbsp;But I don't think this is what you were = after?</div><div><br></div><div>Jose</div><div><br><div><br></div><div><br= ><div><div>On 2 Mar 2011, at 08:33, Pete Howell wrote:</div><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>Birds = and mice have been used in studies intended to establish how genetic = mutations affect vocalization. It seems to me that neither of these = produce sounds that are close to those that humans produce. I wondered = whether members of the list have suggestions about what &nbsp;animal = model provides the closest match to human vocalization and audition. In = terms of vocalization, primates or whales/porpoises seem contenders, but = few labs can provide facilities for these.<br>Peter = Howell<br><br><br><br>----------------------------------------------------= ------------------<br><br>Psychology and Language Sciences<br>University = College London<br>26 Bedford Way<br>London WC1H 0AP<br>Direct line: 020 = 7 679 7566<br>Fax 020 7436 = 4276<br><br>--------------------------------------------------------------= --------<br></div></blockquote></div><br><div = apple-content-edited=3D"true"> <div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; = -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; = font-family: Helvetica; "><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" = style=3D"border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: = Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; = font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; = orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; = widows: 2; 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