Subject: Re: Why it has to be played loud From: "reinifrosch@xxxxxxxx" <reinifrosch@xxxxxxxx> Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 17:28:48 +0000 List-Archive:<http://lists.mcgill.ca/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=AUDITORY>------=_Part_2039_2757677.1285435728324 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Kevin,=20 Consonance and dissonance, "IMHO", are based not only on memory and learnin= g, but also on the physiology of the cochlea in the inner ear. My new book = "Introduction to Cochlear Waves" was originally planned to have the title "= Musical Consonance and Cochlear Mechanics". The CM-part grew to more then 4= 00 pages, so I left out the part on consonance. A short description of the = main ideas, however, is published: R.F., "Psychoacoustic Experiments on the= Sensory Consonance of Musical Two-Tones", Canadian Acoustics Vol. 35, No. = 3 (2007) 38-45.=20 Reinhart. ----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Nachricht---- Von: kevin.austin@xxxxxxxx Datum: 25.09.2010 17:54 An: <AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx> Betreff: Re: Why it has to be played loud Perception, you see, is a cultural phenomenon, and is based upon learning a= nd memory. There are musical cultures where many of the sounds are based on= inharmonic structures (Bali). Western ensemble music too is based on inhar= monic (dissonant [sic]) structures, such as the sound of an inharmonically = vibrating set of strings (piano), or large groups of instruments that play = heterophonically (such as the first violin section of the Berlin Philharmon= ic. I propose a sound that is not well-known in most of the world, the "tune" b= eing Little Bob Maximus.=20 http://www.matfrygbr.co.uk/sounds/Bristol_bells.mp3 In some communities, Xenakis' piece, Bohor is considered revolutionary. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DK0ZKpISpF2U In another life, I would have sat in lots of pubs in London, or beer parlor= s in Munich listening to Lili Marlene http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DbUse= PoATbrU. The band would be "out of tune" [sic], and out of time, but most l= isteners [sic] would prefer either the english or the german song, at aroun= d 3 minutes to being force to endure Act II of Parsifal, or a slow movement= of a Berwald Symphony. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DJlbP1UA3ArU&p=3DA4926CB844E51802&p= laynext=3D1&index=3D39 For those new to Berwald, his cousins were Mendelssohn and Schumann, and he= was an uncle of Bruckner. Regarding why "imho" more people prefer poutine to tofu, I think it has to = do with the high levels of fat and salt. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pouti= ne With regards listener preferences for pre-1900 concert-music, "imho", great= er familiarity with the language. Schoenberg Op 19 http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=3DSchoenberg+O= p+19&aq=3Df requires that the hearer listen. It's a bit like reading Ul= ysses. ... and what has western tonality got to do with sound? Kevin -------------------------- Reinhart Frosch, CH-5200 Brugg. reinifrosch@xxxxxxxx . ------=_Part_2039_2757677.1285435728324 Content-Type: text/html;charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html><head><style type=3D'text/css'> <!-- div.bwmail { background-color:#ffffff; font-family: Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helv= etica; font-size: 12px; margin:0; padding:0;} div.bwmail p { margin:0; padding:0; } div.bwmail table { font-family: Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica; font-size: 12= px; } div.bwmail li { margin:0; padding:0; } --> </style> </head><body><div class=3D'bwmail'><P>Dear Kevin, </P> <P>Consonance and dissonance, "IMHO", are based not only on memory and lear= ning, but also on the physiology of the cochlea in the inner ear. My n= ew book "Introduction to Cochlear Waves" was originally planned to have the= title "Musical Consonance and Cochlear Mechanics". The CM-part grew to mor= e then 400 pages, so I left out the part on consonance. A short description= of the main ideas, however, is published: R.F., "Psychoacoustic Exper= iments on the Sensory Consonance of Musical Two-Tones", Canadian Acous= tics Vol. 35, No. 3 (2007) 38-45. </P> <P>Reinhart.<BR><BR>----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Nachricht----<BR>Von: kevin.aust= in@xxxxxxxx<BR>Datum: 25.09.2010 17:54<BR>An: <AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx= .CA><BR>Betreff: Re: Why it has to be played loud<BR><BR>Perception, you= see, is a cultural phenomenon, and is based upon learning and memory. Ther= e are musical cultures where many of the sounds are based on inharmonic str= uctures (Bali). Western ensemble music too is based on inharmonic (dissonan= t [sic]) structures, such as the sound of an inharmonically vibrating set o= f strings (piano), or large groups of instruments that play heterophonicall= y (such as the first violin section of the Berlin Philharmonic.<BR><BR>I pr= opose a sound that is not well-known in most of the world, the "tune" being= Little Bob Maximus. <BR>http://www.matfrygbr.co.uk/sounds/Bristol_bells.mp= 3<BR><BR>In some communities, Xenakis' piece, Bohor is considered revolutio= nary.<BR>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DK0ZKpISpF2U<BR><BR>In another lif= e, I would have sat in lots of pubs in London, or beer parlors in Munich li= stening to Lili Marlene http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DbUsePoATbrU. The b= and would be "out of tune" [sic], and out of time, but most listeners [sic]= would prefer either the english or the german song, at around 3 minutes to= being force to endure Act II of Parsifal, or a slow movement of a Berwald = Symphony.<BR>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DJlbP1UA3ArU&p=3DA4926CB84= 4E51802&playnext=3D1&index=3D39<BR><BR>For those new to Berwald, hi= s cousins were Mendelssohn and Schumann, and he was an uncle of Bruckner.<B= R><BR>Regarding why "imho" more people prefer poutine to tofu, I think it h= as to do with the high levels of fat and salt. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki= /Poutine<BR>With regards listener preferences for pre-1900 concert-music, "= imho", greater familiarity with the language.<BR><BR>Schoenberg Op 19 http:= //www.youtube.com/results?search_query=3DSchoenberg+Op+19&aq=3Df requir= es that the hearer listen. It's a bit like reading Ulysses.<BR><BR>... and = what has western tonality got to do with sound?<BR><BR>Kevin<BR>-----------= ---------------<BR>Reinhart Frosch,<BR>CH-5200 Brugg.<BR><A href=3D"mailto:= reinifrosch@xxxxxxxx">reinifrosch@xxxxxxxx</A> .<BR><BR></P></div></bod= y></html> ------=_Part_2039_2757677.1285435728324--