Re: recordings of screaming children? (James Johnston )

Subject: Re: recordings of screaming children? From: James Johnston <James.Johnston@xxxxxxxx> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 11:53:37 -0700 List-Archive:<http://lists.mcgill.ca/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=AUDITORY> --_000_A3A915D4968D3547B15269C244643B6209FA45CA62EXCHANGE2K7dt_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, I don't have any formal recordings, but ours would cheerfully scream = on demand if you asked them to. We scared a couple of door to door salesmen off, I think, "hey, ****, run u= p to the front door and scream as loud as you can". Toddle toddle toddle S= CREAM hee hee hee hee hee __________________________ James D. Johnston (jj@xxxxxxxx) CHIEF SCIENTIST - DTS, Inc. 425-814-3200, ext. 134 - office 425-814-3204 - fax 206-321-7449- mobile 11410 NE 122nd Way, Suite 100 Kirkland, WA 98034 This electronic transmission (and/or the documents accompanying it) may con= tain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized use, copying= or distribution is prohibited. If you have received this communication in= error, please notify DTS, Inc immediately by telephone (425-814-3200) and = destroy the original message. Messages sent to and from us may be monitored. From: AUDITORY - Research in Auditory Perception [mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx= ILL.CA] On Behalf Of Peter Lennox Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 2:05 AM To: AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [AUDITORY] recordings of screaming children? Actually, I'm intrigued as to where these recordings have come from... are they actually genuinely screaming (as in extreme fear or pain), or doin= g that noisy excited screaming that kids do? ________________________________ From: AUDITORY - Research in Auditory Perception [mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx= ILL.CA] On Behalf Of Brian Gygi Sent: 16 June 2010 06:40 To: AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx Subject: Re: recordings of screaming children? I think it's more likely he gets relief from the fact there is someone more= miserable than him. Brian Gygi, Ph.D. Speech and Hearing Research Veterans Affairs Northern California Health Care System 150 Muir Road Martinez, CA 94553 (925) 372-2000 x5653 -----Original Message----- From: Harriet B. Jacobster, AuD [mailto:hjacobster@xxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 06:24 PM To: AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx Subject: Re: recordings of screaming children? Here's a thought...is it possible that the screaming children help toreleas= e endorphins? We all know that if we are in pain and we scream,that releas= es certain neurotransmitters, most notably the endorphins,that help to sque= lch the pain. Perhaps listening to screaming childrenhas the same effect f= or this gentleman. HBJ Gossmann, Joachim wrote: Hi -I'm not a cognitive scientist, but I have been wondering about a possib= ly related topic for a while.Could it be that listening to certain "painful= " sounds can divert attention for other "pain" that a person might be exper= iencing to the not *actually* painful experience of sound?For example, when= I listen to some of the electroacoustic works of Xenakis, I often have the= impression that the music served him to cover up his war-traumata with sou= nds that cover up the emotional space in which pain exists.(Please not that= I am not criticising in any way the compositional quality of these incredi= bly intricate and ingenious pieces - I am only talking about my subjective = access to the "expressions" the music employs.The way this music is experie= nced has also changed a lot of course since we are exposed to electronic so= unds now on a daily basis.)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D6G_F50EJt0Uhttp= ://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DbGZyn4UiB6(Criminal data compression... be war= ned)It is said that Xenakis always played his tape music at *very high volu= mes*, sometimes painful to the audience - and it does not fail to have a st= rangely "cathartic" effect on me, a little like covering up a tinnitus with= a correspondingly designed synthetic sound in Tinnitus Retraining Therapy.= Best,Joachim________________________________________From: AUDITORY - Resear= ch in Auditory Perception [AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx<mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx= CGILL.CA>] On Behalf Of Kevin Austin [kevin.austin@xxxxxxxx<mailto:kevi= n.austin@xxxxxxxx>]Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 7:30 AMTo: AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx= TS.MCGILL.CA<mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx>Subject: Fwd: recordings of sc= reaming children?Begin forwarded message: (from the phonography list) To: phonography@xxxxxxxx<mailto:phonography@xxxxxxxx>From: "f= elixbadanimal" <felixbadanimal@xxxxxxxx><mailto:felixbadanimal@xxxxxxxx= om>Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 11:03:03 -0000Subject: [phonography] recordings o= f screaming children?Hello all,sorry for the extremely random nature of thi= s post... my Dad is a GP and just sent me this email:-----------I have a ch= arming patient with chronic pain in his neck arms and shoulders with no rel= eif from neurosurgery who has found that he gets extra-ordinary releif from= the sound of screaming children. In the absence of progress with the pain = clinics and the neurosurgeon he is keen to explore the "sound therapy" aven= ue further.-----------I know it is a bit strange and random but as an arthr= itis patient myself, I can understand the craziness of being in constant pa= in and the need for relief... and perhaps even the outlet that the sound of= full-on screaming might provide? I am intrigued that sound may play a part= in easing this man's pain, but I have no idea where I may find screaming r= ecordings, and it's not the easiest thing to either explain or set up since= it poses a few ethical problems, and maybe not everyone would be sympathet= ic to the idea.I thought I would consult you open-minded folks to see if yo= u had any views or ideas about where I could find such recordings, or how I= could set something like this up, and whether or not any of you have been = approached with similar requests...Any leads on finding recordings of screa= ming children greatly appreciated...Cheers, F I would be interested in hearing from the AUDITORY community as to why this= form of therapy [would] work[s].Kevin _____________________________________________________________________ The University of Derby has a published policy regarding email and reserves= the right to monitor email traffic. If you believe this email was sent to = you in error, please notify the sender and delete this email. Please direct= any concerns to Infosec@xxxxxxxx The policy is available here: http://www.derby.ac.uk/LIS/Email-Policy Notice: This message and any included attachments are intended only for the use of = the addressee, and may contain information that is privileged or confidenti= al. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any= dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly p= rohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please destroy= the original message and any copies or printouts hereof. --_000_A3A915D4968D3547B15269C244643B6209FA45CA62EXCHANGE2K7dt_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html xmlns:v=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o=3D"urn:schemas-micr= osoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" = xmlns:m=3D"http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns=3D"http:= //www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii"> <meta name=3DGenerator content=3D"Microsoft Word 12 (filtered medium)">  <style>  </style>  </head> <body lang=3DEN-US link=3Dblue vlink=3Dblue> <div class=3DWordSection1> Well, I don’t have any formal recordings, but ours wou= ld cheerfully scream on demand if you asked them to.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> We scared a couple of door to door salesmen off, I think, &#= 8220;hey, ****, run up to the front door and scream as loud as you can”.  = Toddle toddle toddle SCREAM hee hee hee hee hee<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <div> = __________________________<o:p></o:p> = James D. Johnston  (jj@xxxxxxxx)<o:p></o:p> CHIEF SCIENTIST - DTS, Inc. 425-814-3200, ext. 134 - office 425-814-3204 - fax 206-321-7449- mobile 11410 NE 122nd Way,  Suite 100 Kirkland, WA 98034 This electronic transmission (and/or the documents accompany= ing it) may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized u= se, copying or distribution is prohibited.  If you have received this communication in error, please notify DTS, Inc immediately by telephone (425-814-3200) and destroy the original message. Messages sent to and from = us may be monitored.<o:p></o:p> </div> <o:p> </o:p> <div> <div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in = 0in 0in'> From: AUDITORY - Re= search in Auditory Perception [mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx On Behalf Of </= b>Peter Lennox Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 2:05 AM To: AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [AUDITORY] recordings of screaming children?<o:p></o:p>= </div> </div> <o:p> </o:p> Actually, I’m intrigued as to where these recordings have= come from… <o:p></o:p> are they actually genuinely screaming (as in extreme fear or pa= in), or doing that noisy excited screaming that kids do?<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <div> <div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'> <hr size=3D2 width=3D"100%" align=3Dcenter> </div> From: AUDITORY - Re= search in Auditory Perception [mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx On Behalf Of </= b>Brian Gygi Sent: 16 June 2010 06:40 To: AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx Subject: Re: recordings of screaming children?<o:p></o:p> </div> <o:p> </o:p> <div> <o:p> </o:p> </div> <div> I th= ink it's more likely he gets relief from the fact there is someone more miserable th= an him.<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> Brian Gygi, Ph.D. Speech and Hearing Research Veterans Affairs Northern California Health Care System 150 Muir Road Martinez, CA 94553 (925) 372-2000 x5653<o:p></o:p> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <blockquote style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0= in 0in 4.0pt; margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'> -----Original Message----- From: Harriet B. Jacobster, AuD [mailto:hjacobster@xxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 06:24 PM To: AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx Subject: Re: recordings of screaming children?<o:p></o:p> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellpadding=3D0 width=3D"100%" style=3D'width:100.0%;background:#CCFFFF' id=3D201179> <tr> <td width=3D"100%" valign=3Dtop style=3D'width:100.0%;padding:.75pt .75pt= .75pt .75pt'> Here's a thought...is it possible that the screaming children help torelease endorphins?  We all know that if we are in p= ain and we scream,that releases certain neurotransmitters, most notably the endorphins,that help to squelch the pain.  Perhaps listening to screaming childrenhas the same effect for this gentleman. HBJ Gossmann, Joachim wrote:<o:p></o:p> <pre>Hi -I'm not a cognitive scientist, but I have been wondering about a= possibly related topic for a while.Could it be that listening to certain &= quot;painful" sounds can divert attention for other "pain" t= hat a person might be experiencing to the not *actually* painful experience= of sound?For example, when I listen to some of the electroacoustic works o= f Xenakis, I often have the impression that the music served him to cover u= p his war-traumata with sounds that cover up the emotional space in which p= ain exists.(Please not that I am not criticising in any way the composition= al quality of these incredibly intricate and ingenious pieces - I am only t= alking about my subjective access to the "expressions" the music = employs.The way this music is experienced has also changed a lot of course = since we are exposed to electronic sounds now on a daily basis.)<a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D6G_F50EJt0U" target=3D"_blank">h= ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D6G_F50EJt0U</a><a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DbGZyn4UiB6" target=3D"_blank">ht= tp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DbGZyn4UiB6</a>(Criminal data compression... = be warned)It is said that Xenakis always played his tape music at *very hig= h volumes*, sometimes painful to the audience - and it does not fail to hav= e a strangely "cathartic" effect on me, a little like covering up= a tinnitus with a correspondingly designed synthetic sound in Tinnitus Ret= raining Therapy.Best,Joachim________________________________________From: A= UDITORY - Research in Auditory Perception [<a href=3D"mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx" target=3D"_blank">AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx= .MCGILL.CA</a>] On Behalf Of Kevin Austin [<a href=3D"mailto:kevin.austin@xxxxxxxx" target=3D"_blank">kevin.austin@xxxxxxxx= VIDEOTRON.CA</a>]Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 7:30 AMTo: <a href=3D"mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx" target=3D"_blank">AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx= .MCGILL.CA</a>Subject: Fwd: recordings of screaming children?Begin forwarde= d message:  <o:p></o:p></pre> <blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>(from the= phonography list)    <o:p></o:p></pre> <blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>To: <a href=3D"mailto:phonography@xxxxxxxx" target=3D"_blank">phonography= @xxxxxxxx</a>From: "felixbadanimal" <a href=3D"mailto:felixbadanimal@xxxxxxxx" target=3D"_blank"><felixbad= animal@xxxxxxxx></a>Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 11:03:03 -0000Subject: [ph= onography] recordings of screaming children?Hello all,sorry for the extreme= ly random nature of this post... my Dad is a GP and just sent me this email= :-----------I have a charming patient with chronic pain in his neck arms an= d shoulders with no releif from neurosurgery who has found that he gets ext= ra-ordinary releif from the sound of screaming children. In the absence of = progress with the pain clinics and the neurosurgeon he is keen to explore t= he "sound therapy" avenue further.-----------I know it is a bit s= trange and random but as an arthritis patient myself, I can understand the = craziness of being in constant pain and the need for relief... and perhaps = even the outlet that the sound of full-on screaming might provide? I am int= rigued that sound may play a part in easing this man's pain, but I have no = idea where I may find screaming recordings, and it's not the easiest thing = to either explain or set up since it poses a few ethical problems, and mayb= e not everyone would be sympathetic to the idea.I thought I would consult y= ou open-minded folks to see if you had any views or ideas about where I cou= ld find such recordings, or how I could set something like this up, and whe= ther or not any of you have been approached with similar requests...Any lea= ds on finding recordings of screaming children greatly appreciated...Cheers= , F      <o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote> </blockquote> <pre>I would be interested in hearing from the AUDITORY community as to w= hy this form of therapy [would] work[s].Kevin  <o:p></o:p></pre> <o:p> </o:p> </td> </tr> </table> <o:p> </o:p> </blockquote> _____________________________________________________________________ The University of Derby has a published policy regarding email and reserves= the right to monitor email traffic. If you believe this email was sent to you in error, please notify the sender and delete this email. Please direct any concerns to Infosec@xxxxxxxx The policy is available here: http://www.derby.ac.uk/LIS/Email-Policy<o:p><= /o:p> </div> <DIV> Notice: This message and any included attachments are intended only for the use of = the addressee, and may contain information that is privileged or confidenti= al. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any= dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly p= rohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please destroy= the original message and any copies or printouts hereof. </DIV></body> </html> --_000_A3A915D4968D3547B15269C244643B6209FA45CA62EXCHANGE2K7dt_--

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