Re: recordings of screaming children? (Peter Lennox )

Subject: Re: recordings of screaming children? From: Peter Lennox <P.Lennox@xxxxxxxx> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 10:05:12 +0100 List-Archive:<http://lists.mcgill.ca/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=AUDITORY> --_000_28F33490C302424E98CC6DC2531B2048A8C9920698MKTMBX01unive_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Actually, I'm intrigued as to where these recordings have come from... are they actually genuinely screaming (as in extreme fear or pain), or doi= ng that noisy excited screaming that kids do? ________________________________ From: AUDITORY - Research in Auditory Perception [mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx= GILL.CA] On Behalf Of Brian Gygi Sent: 16 June 2010 06:40 To: AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx Subject: Re: recordings of screaming children? I think it's more likely he gets relief from the fact there is someone mor= e miserable than him. Brian Gygi, Ph.D. Speech and Hearing Research Veterans Affairs Northern California Health Care System 150 Muir Road Martinez, CA 94553 (925) 372-2000 x5653 -----Original Message----- From: Harriet B. Jacobster, AuD [mailto:hjacobster@xxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 06:24 PM To: AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx Subject: Re: recordings of screaming children? Here's a thought...is it possible that the screaming children help torelea= se endorphins? We all know that if we are in pain and we scream,that rele= ases certain neurotransmitters, most notably the endorphins,that help to s= quelch the pain. Perhaps listening to screaming childrenhas the same effe= ct for this gentleman. HBJ Gossmann, Joachim wrote: Hi -I'm not a cognitive scientist, but I have been wondering about a possi= bly related topic for a while.Could it be that listening to certain "painf= ul" sounds can divert attention for other "pain" that a person might be ex= periencing to the not *actually* painful experience of sound?For example, = when I listen to some of the electroacoustic works of Xenakis, I often hav= e the impression that the music served him to cover up his war-traumata wi= th sounds that cover up the emotional space in which pain exists.(Please n= ot that I am not criticising in any way the compositional quality of these= incredibly intricate and ingenious pieces - I am only talking about my su= bjective access to the "expressions" the music employs.The way this music = is experienced has also changed a lot of course since we are exposed to el= ectronic sounds now on a daily basis.)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D6G_= F50EJt0Uhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DbGZyn4UiB6(Criminal data compress= ion... be warned)It is said that Xenakis always played his tape music at *= very high volumes*, sometimes painful to the audience - and it does not fa= il to have a strangely "cathartic" effect on me, a little like covering up= a tinnitus with a correspondingly designed synthetic sound in Tinnitus Re= training Therapy.Best,Joachim________________________________________From:= AUDITORY - Research in Auditory Perception [AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx<mail= to:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx>] On Behalf Of Kevin Austin [kevin.austin@xxxxxxxx= OTRON.CA<mailto:kevin.austin@xxxxxxxx>]Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 7:= 30 AMTo: AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx<mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx>Subject:= Fwd: recordings of screaming children?Begin forwarded message: (from the phonography list) To: phonography@xxxxxxxx<mailto:phonography@xxxxxxxx>From: "= felixbadanimal" <felixbadanimal@xxxxxxxx><mailto:felixbadanimal@xxxxxxxx= .com>Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 11:03:03 -0000Subject: [phonography] recording= s of screaming children?Hello all,sorry for the extremely random nature of= this post... my Dad is a GP and just sent me this email:-----------I have= a charming patient with chronic pain in his neck arms and shoulders with = no releif from neurosurgery who has found that he gets extra-ordinary rele= if from the sound of screaming children. In the absence of progress with t= he pain clinics and the neurosurgeon he is keen to explore the "sound ther= apy" avenue further.-----------I know it is a bit strange and random but a= s an arthritis patient myself, I can understand the craziness of being in = constant pain and the need for relief... and perhaps even the outlet that = the sound of full-on screaming might provide? I am intrigued that sound ma= y play a part in easing this man's pain, but I have no idea where I may fi= nd screaming recordings, and it's not the easiest thing to either explain = or set up since it poses a few ethical problems, and maybe not everyone wo= uld be sympathetic to the idea.I thought I would consult you open-minded f= olks to see if you had any views or ideas about where I could find such re= cordings, or how I could set something like this up, and whether or not an= y of you have been approached with similar requests...Any leads on finding= recordings of screaming children greatly appreciated...Cheers, F I would be interested in hearing from the AUDITORY community as to why thi= s form of therapy [would] work[s].Kevin _____________________________________________________________________ The University of Derby has a published policy regarding email and reserve= s the right to monitor email traffic. If you believe this email was sent t= o you in error, please notify the sender and delete this email. Please dir= ect any concerns to Infosec@xxxxxxxx The policy is available here: http://www.derby.ac.uk/LIS/Email-Policy --_000_28F33490C302424E98CC6DC2531B2048A8C9920698MKTMBX01unive_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html xmlns:v=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o=3D"urn:schemas-mic= rosoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word= " xmlns:st1=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" xmlns=3D"http:/= /www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii= "> <meta name=3DGenerator content=3D"Microsoft Word 11 (filtered medium)"> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name=3D"Posta= lCode"/> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags= " name=3D"State"/> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags= " name=3D"City"/> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags= " name=3D"Street"/> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags= " name=3D"address"/> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags= " name=3D"place"/> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags= " name=3D"PersonName"/>  <style>  </style> </head> <body lang=3DEN-GB link=3Dblue vlink=3Dblue> <div class=3DSection1> Actually, I’m intrigued as to w= here these recordings have come from… <o:p></o:p> are they actually genuinely screaming= (as in extreme fear or pain), or doing that noisy excited screaming that kids = do?<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <div> <div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'> <hr size=3D2 width=3D"100%" align=3Dcenter tabindex=3D-1> </div> From:</span= > AUDITORY - Research in Auditory Perception [mailto:<st1:PersonName w:st=3D= "on">AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx</st1:PersonName>] On Behalf Of Brian Gygi = Sent: 16 June 2010 06:40<br= > To: <st1:PersonName w:st=3D= "on">AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx</st1:PersonName> Subject: Re: recordings of screaming children?<o:p></o:p>= </div> <o:p> </o:p> <div> <o:p> </o:p> </div> <div> I think it's mor= e likely he gets relief from the fact there is someone more miserable than him.</sp= an><o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> Brian Gygi, Ph.D. Speech and Hearing Research Veterans Affairs <st1:place w:st=3D"on">Northern California</st1:place> He= alth Care System <st1:Street w:st=3D"on"><st1:address w:st=3D"on">150 Muir Road</st1:addres= s></st1:Street> <st1:place w:st=3D"on"><st1:City w:st=3D"on">Martinez</st1:City>, <st1:Sta= te w:st=3D"on">CA</st1:State> <st1:PostalCode w:st=3D"on">94553</st1:PostalCode></st1:place> (925) 372-2000 x5653<o:p></o:p> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <blockquote style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm = 0cm 0cm 4.0pt; margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>= -----Original Message-----<b= r> From: Harriet B. Jacobster,= AuD [mailto:hjacobster@xxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 201= 0 06:24 PM To: <st1:PersonName w:st=3D= "on">AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx</st1:PersonName> Subject: Re: recordings of screaming children?<o:p></o:p> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellpadding=3D0 width=3D"100%" bgcolor=3D"#CCFFFF" style=3D'width:100.0%;background:#CCFFFF' id=3D201179= height=3D400 text=3D"#000066"> <tr> <td width=3D"100%" valign=3Dtop style=3D'width:100.0%;padding:.75pt .75p= t .75pt .75pt'> Here's a thought...is it possible that the sc= reaming children help torelease endorphins?  We all know that if we are in = pain and we scream,that releases certain neurotransmitters, most notably the endorphins,that help to squelch the pain.  Perhaps listening to screaming childrenhas the same effect for this gentleman. HBJ Gossmann, Joachim wrote:<o:p></o:p> <pre wrap=3D"">Hi -I'm not a cognitive scientist, but I have been wondering a= bout a possibly related topic for a while.Could it be that listening to ce= rtain "painful" sounds can divert attention for other "pain= " that a person might be experiencing to the not *actually* painful e= xperience of sound?For example, when I listen to some of the electroacoust= ic works of Xenakis, I often have the impression that the music served him= to cover up his war-traumata with sounds that cover up the emotional spac= e in which pain exists.(Please not that I am not criticising in any way th= e compositional quality of these incredibly intricate and ingenious pieces= - I am only talking about my subjective access to the "expressions&q= uot; the music employs.The way this music is experienced has also changed = a lot of course since we are exposed to electronic sounds now on a daily b= asis.)<a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D6G_F50EJt0U" target=3D"_blank" mce_href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D6G_F50EJt0U">http://www.you= tube.com/watch?v=3D6G_F50EJt0U</a><a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DbGZyn4UiB6" target=3D"_blank" mce_href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DbGZyn4UiB6">http://www.yout= ube.com/watch?v=3DbGZyn4UiB6</a>(Criminal data compression... be warned)It= is said that Xenakis always played his tape music at *very high volumes*,= sometimes painful to the audience - and it does not fail to have a strang= ely "cathartic" effect on me, a little like covering up a tinnit= us with a correspondingly designed synthetic sound in Tinnitus Retraining = Therapy.Best,Joachim________________________________________From: AUDITORY= - Research in Auditory Perception [<a href=3D"mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx" target=3D"_blank" mce_href=3D"mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx">AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx</a= >] On Behalf Of Kevin Austin [<a href=3D"mailto:kevin.austin@xxxxxxxx" target=3D"_blank" mce_href=3D"mailto:kevin.austin@xxxxxxxx">kevin.austin@xxxxxxxx<= /a>]Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 7:30 AMTo: <a href=3D"mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx" target=3D"_blank" mce_href=3D"mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx">AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx</a= >Subject: Fwd: recordings of screaming children?Begin forwarded message:&n= bsp; <o:p></o:p></pre> <blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt' type=3Dcite><= pre wrap=3D"">(from the phonography list)    <o:p></o:p></f= ont></pre> <blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt' type=3Dcite><= pre wrap=3D"">To: <a href=3D"mailto:phonography@xxxxxxxx" target=3D"_blank" mce_href=3D"mailto:phonography@xxxxxxxx">phonography@xxxxxxxx= com</a>From: "felixbadanimal" <a href=3D"mailto:felixbadanimal@xxxxxxxx" target=3D"_blank" mce_href=3D"mailto:felixbadanimal@xxxxxxxx"><felixbadanimal@xxxxxxxx= l.com></a>Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 11:03:03 -0000Subject: [phonography] r= ecordings of screaming children?Hello all,sorry for the extremely random n= ature of this post... my Dad is a GP and just sent me this email:---------= --I have a charming patient with chronic pain in his neck arms and shoulde= rs with no releif from neurosurgery who has found that he gets extra-ordin= ary releif from the sound of screaming children. In the absence of progres= s with the pain clinics and the neurosurgeon he is keen to explore the &qu= ot;sound therapy" avenue further.-----------I know it is a bit strang= e and random but as an arthritis patient myself, I can understand the craz= iness of being in constant pain and the need for relief... and perhaps eve= n the outlet that the sound of full-on screaming might provide? I am intri= gued that sound may play a part in easing this man's pain, but I have no i= dea where I may find screaming recordings, and it's not the easiest thing = to either explain or set up since it poses a few ethical problems, and may= be not everyone would be sympathetic to the idea.I thought I would consult= you open-minded folks to see if you had any views or ideas about where I = could find such recordings, or how I could set something like this up, and= whether or not any of you have been approached with similar requests...An= y leads on finding recordings of screaming children greatly appreciated...= Cheers, F      <o:p></o:p></pre></b= lockquote> </blockquote> <pre wrap=3D"">I would be interested in hearing from the AUDITORY community a= s to why this form of therapy [would] work[s].Kevin  <o:p></o:p></spa= n></pre> <o:p> </o:p> </td> </tr> </table> <o:p> </o:p> </blockquote> </div> _____________________________________________________________________ The University of Derby has a published policy regarding email and reserve= s the right to monitor email traffic. 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