Re: recordings of screaming children? (Brian Gygi )


Subject: Re: recordings of screaming children?
From:    Brian Gygi  <bgygi@xxxxxxxx>
Date:    Wed, 16 Jun 2010 05:40:27 +0000
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----=_vm_0011_W6677630125_28040_1276666827 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think it's more likely he gets relief from the fact there is someone mo= re miserable than him. Brian Gygi, Ph.D. Speech and Hearing Research Veterans Affairs Northern California Health Care System 150 Muir Road Martinez, CA 94553 (925) 372-2000 x5653 -----Original Message----- From: Harriet B. Jacobster, AuD [mailto:hjacobster@xxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 06:24 PM To: AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx Subject: Re: recordings of screaming children? Here's a thought...is it possible that the screaming children help torele= ase endorphins? We all know that if we are in pain and we scream,that rel= eases certain neurotransmitters, most notably the endorphins,that help to= squelch the pain. Perhaps listening to screaming childrenhas the same ef= fect for this gentleman. HBJ Gossmann, Joachim wrote:Hi -I'm not a cognitive scientist, but I have bee= n wondering about a possibly related topic for a while.Could it be that l= istening to certain "painful" sounds can divert attention for other "pain= " that a person might be experiencing to the not *actually* painful exper= ience of sound?For example, when I listen to some of the electroacoustic = works of Xenakis, I often have the impression that the music served him t= o cover up his war-traumata with sounds that cover up the emotional space= in which pain exists.(Please not that I am not criticising in any way th= e compositional quality of these incredibly intricate and ingenious piece= s - I am only talking about my subjective access to the "expressions" the= music employs.The way this music is experienced has also changed a lot o= f course since we are exposed to electronic sounds now on a daily basis.)= http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D6G_F50EJt0Uhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?= v=3DbGZyn4UiB6(Criminal data compression... be warned)It is said that Xen= akis always played his tape music at *very high volumes*, sometimes painf= ul to the audience - and it does not fail to have a strangely "cathartic"= effect on me, a little like covering up a tinnitus with a correspondingl= y designed synthetic sound in Tinnitus Retraining Therapy.Best,Joachim___= _____________________________________From: AUDITORY - Research in Auditor= y Perception [AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx On Behalf Of Kevin Austin [kevin.= austin@xxxxxxxx: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 7:30 AMTo: AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx= S.MCGILL.CASubject: Fwd: recordings of screaming children?Begin forwarded= message: (from the phonography list) To: phonography@xxxxxxxx= : "felixbadanimal" <felixbadanimal@xxxxxxxx>Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 11:= 03:03 -0000Subject: [phonography] recordings of screaming children?Hello = all,sorry for the extremely random nature of this post... my Dad is a GP = and just sent me this email:-----------I have a charming patient with chr= onic pain in his neck arms and shoulders with no releif from neurosurgery= who has found that he gets extra-ordinary releif from the sound of screa= ming children. In the absence of progress with the pain clinics and the n= eurosurgeon he is keen to explore the "sound therapy" avenue further.----= -------I know it is a bit strange and random but as an arthritis patient = myself, I can understand the craziness of being in constant pain and the = need for relief... and perhaps even the outlet that the sound of full-on = screaming might provide? I am intrigued that sound may play a part in eas= ing this man's pain, but I have no idea where I may find screaming record= ings, and it's not the easiest thing to either explain or set up since it= poses a few ethical problems, and maybe not everyone would be sympatheti= c to the idea.I thought I would consult you open-minded folks to see if y= ou had any views or ideas about where I could find such recordings, or ho= w I could set something like this up, and whether or not any of you have = been approached with similar requests...Any leads on finding recordings o= f screaming children greatly appreciated...Cheers, F I would be intereste= d in hearing from the AUDITORY community as to why this form of therapy [= would] work[s].Kevin ----=_vm_0011_W6677630125_28040_1276666827 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html><div><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: small;"><= br></span></div><div><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size:= small;">I think it's more likely he gets relief from the fact there is s= omeone more miserable than him.</span></div><div><font face=3D"Verdana" s= ize=3D"2">&nbsp;</font></div>Brian Gygi, Ph.D.<br>Speech and Hearing Rese= arch<br>Veterans Affairs Northern California Health Care System<br>150 Mu= ir Road<br>Martinez, CA 94553<br>(925) 372-2000 x5653<div><font face=3D"V= erdana" color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2"></font>&nbsp;</div><blockquote style= =3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"><font face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2">-----Original Message= -----<br><b>From:</b> Harriet B. Jacobster, AuD [mailto:hjacobster@xxxxxxxx= m]<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 15, 2010 06:24 PM<br><b>To:</b> AUDITORY= @xxxxxxxx<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: recordings of screaming children?= <br><br></font> <table id=3D"201179" border=3D"0" width=3D"100%" height=3D= "400" bgcolor=3D"#ccffff" text=3D"#000066"><tbody><tr><td width=3D"100%" = valign=3D"top">Here's a thought...is it possible that the screaming child= ren help torelease endorphins?&nbsp; We all know that if we are in pain a= nd we scream,that releases certain neurotransmitters, most notably the en= dorphins,that help to squelch the pain.&nbsp; Perhaps listening to scream= ing childrenhas the same effect for this gentleman. <br><br>HBJ<br><br>Go= ssmann, Joachim wrote:<blockquote cite=3D"mid:20100615165928.680BC8796@xxxxxxxx= ilscan2.ncs.mcgill.ca" type=3D"cite"> <pre wrap=3D"">Hi -I'm not a cogni= tive scientist, but I have been wondering about a possibly related topic = for a while.Could it be that listening to certain "painful" sounds can di= vert attention for other "pain" that a person might be experiencing to th= e not *actually* painful experience of sound?For example, when I listen t= o some of the electroacoustic works of Xenakis, I often have the impressi= on that the music served him to cover up his war-traumata with sounds tha= t cover up the emotional space in which pain exists.(Please not that I am= not criticising in any way the compositional quality of these incredibly= intricate and ingenious pieces - I am only talking about my subjective a= ccess to the "expressions" the music employs.The way this music is experi= enced has also changed a lot of course since we are exposed to electronic= sounds now on a daily basis.)<a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" mce_href= =3D"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D6G_F50EJt0U" target=3D"_blank" href=3D= "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D6G_F50EJt0U">http://www.youtube.com/wat= ch?v=3D6G_F50EJt0U</a><a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" mce_href=3D"http= ://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DbGZyn4UiB6" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http:/= /www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DbGZyn4UiB6">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Db= GZyn4UiB6</a>(Criminal data compression... be warned)It is said that Xena= kis always played his tape music at *very high volumes*, sometimes painfu= l to the audience - and it does not fail to have a strangely "cathartic" = effect on me, a little like covering up a tinnitus with a correspondingly= designed synthetic sound in Tinnitus Retraining Therapy.Best,Joachim____= ____________________________________From: AUDITORY - Research in Auditory= Perception [<a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" mce_href=3D"mailto:AUD= ITORY@xxxxxxxx" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx= GILL.CA">AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx</a>] On Behalf Of Kevin Austin [<a clas= s=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" mce_href=3D"mailto:kevin.austin@xxxxxxxx= CA" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:kevin.austin@xxxxxxxx">kevin.aus= tin@xxxxxxxx</a>]Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 7:30 AMTo: <a class=3D"= moz-txt-link-abbreviated" mce_href=3D"mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx" ta= rget=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx">AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx= CGILL.CA</a>Subject: Fwd: recordings of screaming children?Begin forwarde= d message: </pre> <blockquote type=3D"cite"> <pre wrap=3D"">(from th= e phonography list) </pre> <blockquote type=3D"cite"> <pre wra= p=3D"">To: <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" mce_href=3D"mailto:phono= graphy@xxxxxxxx" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:phonography@xxxxxxxx= ogroups.com">phonography@xxxxxxxx</a>From: "felixbadanimal" <a cla= ss=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" mce_href=3D"mailto:felixbadanimal@xxxxxxxx= m" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:felixbadanimal@xxxxxxxx">&lt;felix= badanimal@xxxxxxxx&gt;</a>Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 11:03:03 -0000Subject= : [phonography] recordings of screaming children?Hello all,sorry for the = extremely random nature of this post... my Dad is a GP and just sent me t= his email:-----------I have a charming patient with chronic pain in his n= eck arms and shoulders with no releif from neurosurgery who has found tha= t he gets extra-ordinary releif from the sound of screaming children. In = the absence of progress with the pain clinics and the neurosurgeon he is = keen to explore the "sound therapy" avenue further.-----------I know it i= s a bit strange and random but as an arthritis patient myself, I can unde= rstand the craziness of being in constant pain and the need for relief...= and perhaps even the outlet that the sound of full-on screaming might pr= ovide? I am intrigued that sound may play a part in easing this man's pai= n, but I have no idea where I may find screaming recordings, and it's not= the easiest thing to either explain or set up since it poses a few ethic= al problems, and maybe not everyone would be sympathetic to the idea.I th= ought I would consult you open-minded folks to see if you had any views o= r ideas about where I could find such recordings, or how I could set some= thing like this up, and whether or not any of you have been approached wi= th similar requests...Any leads on finding recordings of screaming childr= en greatly appreciated...Cheers, F </pre> </blockquote> </blockq= uote> <pre wrap=3D""><!---->I would be interested in hearing from the AU= DITORY community as to why this form of therapy [would] work[s].Kevin </= pre></blockquote><br></td></tr></tbody></table></blockquote></html> ----=_vm_0011_W6677630125_28040_1276666827--


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