Subject: Re: Topics for discussion From: Margaret Mortz <mmortz@xxxxxxxx> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 18:55:12 -0700 List-Archive:<http://lists.mcgill.ca/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=AUDITORY>--001636e907617b786f04820985d1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I would like to second Etienne's request to keep the cochlear amplifier discussion on the AUDITORY list. I receive the email responses separately rather than as a long composite digest, so it is easier to segregate topics As long as the subject line contains the topic, I can easily bypass topics that I am not interested in. . I find this thread to be very interesting. I have a special interest in learning about how the brain gives feedback to the cochlear active listening process via OHC. Obviously, I need to also learn about the cochlea's passive dynamics itself. It seems to be far more complicated than I realized. Margaret Mortz On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 5:38 PM, Etienne Gaudrain <et.gaudrain@xxxxxxxx>wrote: > Dear Professor Bregman, dear list, > > I am very glad you pointed out that the AUDITORY list is a place that > reflects the diversity of auditory research. I would like to add that the > interaction between researchers of various backgrounds is essential in that > field of research, and the AUDITORY list certainly helps a lot in that > regard. > > If each specialized group of interest were to create their own list, how > could transversal communication take place? We would just end up with a very > scattered landscape of auditory research, and one would have to spend hours > on the web to find and reconnect all the pieces. > > So, although I understand that some people could be annoyed by the > discussion, there is no strong reason why cochlear-modellers in particular > should not be welcomed on the list. It seems more obvious that there are > strong reasons why they should stay and share there debate They are good > guys, they contribute a lot! Otherwise we can also politely ask the people > who wonder about "timbre" to wonder elsewhere. Or what about those who ask > questions about sound cards... I mean who cares? Worst than everything, > those who request papers... can't they just pay for it?! The final blow: the > improbable conference announcements (even seen a call for a French meeting > for PhD students... which would concern, what, 50 people? ever seen an ASA > meeting announced here?)... And probably the people that are a tiny bit > sarcastic should also be banned from the list... > > In the real world you can't suppress the sound of people arguing in the > street by any other mean than earplugs that will also suppress the lovely > music you were listening to. You may have heard of this: the auditory scene > analysis problem, nicely formulated by a great guy in Canada, can't remember > his name. Well, on the Internet, you can actually very easily filter out > just the electronic messages you don't want as long as you can describe what > they look like (as already suggested by Keith Kluender and others). This is > a bit sad but, on the Internet, the scene analysis problem has been solved > some time ago. For those of you who don't know how, here is a quick tutorial > for Thunderbird: http://csd.mta.ca/html_pages/thunderbird/Filters.htm. I'm > sure similar tutorials can be found for Outlook, or any modern email > software your using. Silent readers of the list shouldn't be deprived of an > interesting debate (although sometime a bit over-enthusiastic, but then, > normally, adults know that people are making a bit a fool of themselves when > they are rude in public for dull reasons) because some less silent readers > do not like it. I wouldn't sign a petition to close a TV channel because > they show too boring programs between 2 and 4 am... > > So please, mechanical cochlear modellers, do come back. > > -Etienne > > > > > On 16/03/2010 22:34, Al Bregman wrote: > >> Dear list, >> >> I would like to remind everyone that the AUDITORY list members come >> from a variety of disciplines including experimental psychology, >> linguistics (especially phonology), infant development, brain >> sciences, music and other sonic arts, audio technology, artificial >> intelligence, robotics, computer science, and speech and hearing >> science. For the last little while, the postings seem to have focused >> heavily on a rather technical and heated discussion of the mechanics >> of the cochlea. It is impressive to see the enthusiasm of researchers >> on this topic, but I hope that other people will not be discouraged >> from interrupting this discussion with questions, announcements, and >> messages on other topics. >> >> Perhaps it would be a good idea if, when any group wishes to have a >> prolonged discussion of a highly specialized topic, they form a >> discussion group of interested parties. It would then be of great >> interest for the list as a whole to be brought up to date on the >> thoughts, and maybe conclusions, of this specialized group if any of >> its members were willing to take the trouble to write up summaries >> from time to time. >> >> Best to all, >> >> Al >> >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Albert S. Bregman, Emeritus Professor >> Psychology Department, McGill University >> 1205 Docteur Penfield Avenue >> Montreal, QC, Canada H3A 1B1. >> Office: Phone: (514) 398-6103, Fax: (514) 398-4896 >> http://webpages.mcgill.ca/staff/Group2/abregm1/web/ >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> > > -- > Etienne Gaudrain, PhD > MRC Cognition and Brain Sciences Unit > 15 Chaucer Road > Cambridge, CB2 7EF > UK > Phone: +44 1223 273 664 > Fax (unit): +44 1223 359 062 > --001636e907617b786f04820985d1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would like to second Etienne's request to keep the cochlear amplifier= discussion on the AUDITORY list.=A0 <br><br> I receive the email responses= separately rather than as a long=20 composite digest, so it is easier to segregate topics As long as the subjec= t line contains the topic, I can easily bypass topics that I am not interes= ted in.=A0=A0 .<br><br>I find this thread to be very interesting.=A0 I have= a special interest in learning about how the brain gives feedback to the c= ochlear active listening process via OHC. Obviously, I need to also learn a= bout the cochlea's passive dynamics itself.=A0 It seems to be far more = complicated than I realized.=A0 <br> <br>Margaret Mortz<br><br><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Mar 17= , 2010 at 5:38 PM, Etienne Gaudrain <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto= :et.gaudrain@xxxxxxxx">et.gaudrain@xxxxxxxx</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockqu= ote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: = 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> Dear Professor Bregman, dear list,<br> <br> I am very glad you pointed out that the AUDITORY list is a place that refle= cts the diversity of auditory research. I would like to add that the intera= ction between researchers of various backgrounds is essential in that field= of research, and the AUDITORY list certainly helps a lot in that regard.<b= r> <br> If each specialized group of interest were to create their own list, how co= uld transversal communication take place? We would just end up with a very = scattered landscape of auditory research, and one would have to spend hours= on the web to find and reconnect all the pieces.<br> <br> So, although I understand that some people could be annoyed by the discussi= on, there is no strong reason why cochlear-modellers in particular should n= ot be welcomed on the list. It seems more obvious that there are strong rea= sons why they should stay and share there debate They are good guys, they c= ontribute a lot! Otherwise we can also politely ask the people who wonder a= bout "timbre" to wonder elsewhere. Or what about those who ask qu= estions about sound cards... I mean who cares? Worst than everything, those= who request papers... can't they just pay for it?! The final blow: the= improbable conference announcements (even seen a call for a French meeting= for PhD students... which would concern, what, 50 people? ever seen an ASA= meeting announced here?)... And probably the people that are a tiny bit sa= rcastic should also be banned from the list...<br> <br> In the real world you can't suppress the sound of people arguing in the= street by any other mean than earplugs that will also suppress the lovely = music you were listening to. You may have heard of this: the auditory scene= analysis problem, nicely formulated by a great guy in Canada, can't re= member his name. Well, on the Internet, you can actually very easily filter= out just the electronic messages you don't want as long as you can des= cribe what they look like (as already suggested by Keith Kluender and other= s). This is a bit sad but, on the Internet, the scene analysis problem has = been solved some time ago. For those of you who don't know how, here is= a quick tutorial for Thunderbird: <a href=3D"http://csd.mta.ca/html_pages/= thunderbird/Filters.htm" target=3D"_blank">http://csd.mta.ca/html_pages/thu= nderbird/Filters.htm</a>. I'm sure similar tutorials can be found for O= utlook, or any modern email software your using. Silent readers of the list= shouldn't be deprived of an interesting debate (although sometime a bi= t over-enthusiastic, but then, normally, adults know that people are making= a bit a fool of themselves when they are rude in public for dull reasons) = because some less silent readers do not like it. I wouldn't sign a peti= tion to close a TV channel because they show too boring programs between 2 = and 4 am...<br> <br> So please, mechanical cochlear modellers, do come back.<br> <br> -Etienne<div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br> <br> <br> <br> On 16/03/2010 22:34, Al Bregman wrote:<br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; borde= r-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> Dear list,<br> <br> I would like to remind everyone that the AUDITORY list members come<br> from a variety of disciplines including experimental psychology,<br> linguistics (especially phonology), infant development, brain<br> sciences, music and other sonic arts, audio technology, artificial<br> intelligence, robotics, computer science, and speech and hearing<br> science. =A0For the last little while, the postings seem to have focused<br= > heavily on a rather technical and heated discussion of the mechanics<br> of the cochlea. =A0It is impressive to see the enthusiasm of researchers<br= > on this topic, but I hope that other people will not be discouraged<br> from interrupting this discussion with questions, announcements, and<br> messages on other topics.<br> <br> Perhaps it would be a good idea if, when any group wishes to have a<br> prolonged discussion of a highly specialized topic, they form a<br> discussion group of interested parties. =A0It would then be of great<br> interest for the list as a whole to be brought up to date on the<br> thoughts, and maybe conclusions, of this specialized group if any of<br> its members were willing to take the trouble to write up summaries<br> from time to time.<br> <br> Best to all,<br> <br> Al<br> <br> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --<br> Albert S. Bregman, Emeritus Professor<br> Psychology Department, McGill University<br> 1205 Docteur Penfield Avenue<br> Montreal, QC, Canada H3A 1B1.<br> Office: =A0Phone: (514) 398-6103, Fax: (514) 398-4896<br> <a href=3D"http://webpages.mcgill.ca/staff/Group2/abregm1/web/" target=3D"_= blank">http://webpages.mcgill.ca/staff/Group2/abregm1/web/</a><br> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --<br> =A0<br> </blockquote> <br></div></div><font color=3D"#888888"> -- <br> Etienne Gaudrain, PhD<br> MRC Cognition and Brain Sciences Unit<br> 15 Chaucer Road<br> Cambridge, CB2 7EF<br> UK<br> Phone: +44 1223 273 664<br> Fax (unit): +44 1223 359 062<br> </font></blockquote></div><br> --001636e907617b786f04820985d1--