Re: Re : Topics for discussion (Yi Yu )


Subject: Re: Re : Topics for discussion
From:    Yi Yu  <yi.yu.yy@xxxxxxxx>
Date:    Wed, 17 Mar 2010 11:07:11 +0900
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--0016e65ae5d67f8def0481f59220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear list The prolonged discussion for music can be done effectively on SoSoMir.net b= y creating a special group. SoSoMIR.net is a professional web site. The discussion result can be summarized and sent to the AUDITORY list. All the best www.SoSoMIR.net Yi Yu On 3/17/10, fr=E9d=E9ric maintenant <fmaintenant@xxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Thank you Mr Bregman for your comment! > > I take the opportunity to ask again (I believe I did not use the proper > mode of answering, since 4 or 5 years I haven't been much active on the > list, being again more involved with music): > Does anybody know or is aware of how Gunther Schuller composed his piece > Spectra (1958), it seems that he used spectral analysis of sound, a metho= d > that would be years ahead of his time. I am not only interested in the > musical aspect of his composition but also in the potential scientific si= de: > did he use scientific knowledge? > > Rousseau, in his dictionary, wrote already very advance things concerning > differential sounds, partials, noise etc.; it seems that his most mature = and > official writing (ie the dictionary) has been widely overlooked. Here's a > paper by the Cornelia Fales that put forward some of Rousseau's conceptio= n > on sound and music: > > Cornelia Fales (2005): Listening to timbre during the French enlightment= , > > it gives an excellent account of the epistemology of the notion of timbre > and can be read at: > > http://www.oiccm.umontreal.ca/doc/cim05/articles/fales_c_cim05.pdf > > I'd like to thank again Mr Giordano to have share with us the 1973 > Wessel's paper: > > http://www.music.mcgill.ca/~bruno/Wessel_1973.pdf<http://www.music.mcgill= .ca/%7Ebruno/Wessel_1973.pdf> > > It is a real gem! I noticed that the orientation was much more musical th= an > what can be read afterward, notably with the mention of Var=E8se and Lige= ti. > > All the best, > > Fr=E9d=E9ric Maintenant > Charg=E9 de cours =E0 l'universit=E9 Paul Val=E9ry, Montpellier > Membre du groupe de recherche IDEAT/CNRS-Panth=E9on-Sorbonne, Paris > > ------------------------------ > *De :* Al Bregman <al.bregman@xxxxxxxx> > *=C0 :* AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx > *Envoy=E9 le :* Mar 16 mars 2010, 23 h 34 min 04 s > *Objet :* Topics for discussion > > Dear list, > > I would like to remind everyone that the AUDITORY list members come > from a variety of disciplines including experimental psychology, > linguistics (especially phonology), infant development, brain > sciences, music and other sonic arts, audio technology, artificial > intelligence, robotics, computer science, and speech and hearing > science. For the last little while, the postings seem to have focused > heavily on a rather technical and heated discussion of the mechanics > of the cochlea. It is impressive to see the enthusiasm of researchers > on this topic, but I hope that other people will not be discouraged > from interrupting this discussion with questions, announcements, and > messages on other topics. > > Perhaps it would be a good idea if, when any group wishes to have a > prolonged discussion of a highly specialized topic, they form a > discussion group of interested parties. It would then be of great > interest for the list as a whole to be brought up to date on the > thoughts, and maybe conclusions, of this specialized group if any of > its members were willing to take the trouble to write up summaries > from time to time. > > Best to all, > > Al > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- > Albert S. Bregman, Emeritus Professor > Psychology Department, McGill University > 1205 Docteur Penfield Avenue > Montreal, QC, Canada H3A 1B1. > Office: Phone: (514) 398-6103, Fax: (514) 398-4896 > http://webpages.mcgill.ca/staff/Group2/abregm1/web/ > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- > > > --0016e65ae5d67f8def0481f59220 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div>Dear list</div> <div>=A0</div> <div>The prolonged discussion for music can be done effectively on SoSoMir.= net by creating a special group. SoSoMIR.net is a professional web site. Th= e discussion result can be summarized and sent to the AUDITORY list.</div> <div><br>All the best </div> <div>=A0</div> <div><a href=3D"http://www.SoSoMIR.net">www.SoSoMIR.net</a></div> <div>=A0</div> <div>Yi Yu<br>=A0</div> <div><span class=3D"gmail_quote">On 3/17/10, <b class=3D"gmail_sendername">= fr=E9d=E9ric maintenant</b> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fmaintenant@xxxxxxxx">fma= intenant@xxxxxxxx</a>&gt; wrote:</span> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0= px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid"> <div> <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman,new york,times,= serif"> <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman,new york,times,= serif">Thank you Mr Bregman for your comment!<br><br>I take the opportunity= to ask again (I believe I did not use the proper mode of answering, since = 4 or 5 years I haven&#39;t been much active on the list, being again more i= nvolved with music):<br> Does anybody know or is aware of how Gunther Schuller composed his piece Sp= ectra (1958), it seems that he used spectral analysis of sound, a method th= at would be years ahead of his time. I am not only interested in the musica= l aspect of his composition but also in the potential scientific side: did = he use scientific knowledge?=A0 <br> <br>Rousseau, in his dictionary, wrote already very advance things concerni= ng differential sounds, partials, noise etc.; it seems that his most mature= and official writing (ie the dictionary) has been widely overlooked. Here&= #39;s a paper by the Cornelia Fales that put forward some of Rousseau&#39;s= conception on sound and music:<br> <br>Cornelia Fales (2005):=A0 Listening to timbre during the French enlight= ment, <br><br>it gives an excellent account of the epistemology of the noti= on of timbre and can be read at:<br><br><span><a onclick=3D"return top.js.O= penExtLink(window,event,this)" href=3D"http://www.oiccm.umontreal.ca/doc/ci= m05/articles/fales_c_cim05.pdf" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow">http://w= ww.oiccm.umontreal.ca/doc/cim05/articles/fales_c_cim05.pdf</a></span><br> <br>I&#39;d like to thank again Mr <font face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2">Giordan= o to have share with us the 1973 Wessel&#39;s paper:<br></font><br><a oncli= ck=3D"return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href=3D"http://www.musi= c.mcgill.ca/%7Ebruno/Wessel_1973.pdf" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow">ht= tp://www.music.mcgill.ca/~bruno/Wessel_1973.pdf</a><br> <br>It is a real gem! I noticed that the orientation was much more musical = than what can be read afterward, notably with the mention of Var=E8se and L= igeti.<br><br>All the best,<br><br>Fr=E9d=E9ric Maintenant<br>Charg=E9 de c= ours =E0 l&#39;universit=E9 Paul Val=E9ry, Montpellier<br> Membre du groupe de recherche IDEAT/CNRS-Panth=E9on-Sorbonne, Paris<br><br> <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 13px; FONT-FAMILY: arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><fo= nt face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2"> <hr size=3D"1"> <b><span style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">De :</span></b> Al Bregman &lt;<a oncl= ick=3D"return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href=3D"mailto:al.breg= man@xxxxxxxx" target=3D"_blank">al.bregman@xxxxxxxx</a>&gt;<br><b><span s= tyle=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">=C0 :</span></b> <a onclick=3D"return top.js.Ope= nExtLink(window,event,this)" href=3D"mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx" targe= t=3D"_blank">AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx</a><br> <b><span style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Envoy=E9 le :</span></b> Mar 16 mars 2= 010, 23 h 34 min 04 s<br><b><span style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Objet=A0:</sp= an></b> Topics for discussion<br></font> <div><span class=3D"e" id=3D"q_12769c164010c927_1"><br>Dear list,<br><br>I = would like to remind everyone that the AUDITORY list members come<br>from a= variety of disciplines including experimental psychology,<br>linguistics (= especially phonology), infant development, brain<br> sciences, music and other sonic arts, audio technology, artificial<br>intel= ligence, robotics, computer science, and speech and hearing<br>science.=A0 = For the last little while, the postings seem to have focused<br>heavily on = a rather technical and heated discussion of the mechanics<br> of the cochlea.=A0 It is impressive to see the enthusiasm of researchers<br= >on this topic, but I hope that other people will not be discouraged<br>fro= m interrupting this discussion with questions, announcements, and<br>messag= es on other topics.<br> <br>Perhaps it would be a good idea if, when any group wishes to have a<br>= prolonged discussion of a highly specialized topic, they form a<br>discussi= on group of interested parties.=A0 It would then be of great<br>interest fo= r the list as a whole to be brought up to date on the<br> thoughts, and maybe conclusions, of this specialized group if any of<br>its= members were willing to take the trouble to write up summaries<br>from tim= e to time.<br><br>Best to all,<br><br>Al<br><br>---------------------------= --------------------------------------------------<br> Albert S. Bregman, Emeritus Professor<br>Psychology Department, McGill Univ= ersity<br>1205 Docteur Penfield Avenue<br>Montreal, QC, Canada H3A 1B1.<br>= Office:=A0 Phone: (514) 398-6103, Fax: (514) 398-4896<br><a onclick=3D"retu= rn top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href=3D"http://webpages.mcgill.ca= /staff/Group2/abregm1/web/" target=3D"_blank">http://webpages.mcgill.ca/sta= ff/Group2/abregm1/web/</a><br> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --<br></span></div></div></div></div><br>=A0</div></blockquote></div><br> --0016e65ae5d67f8def0481f59220--


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