Re: mechanical cochlear model ("Richard F. Lyon" )


Subject: Re: mechanical cochlear model
From:    "Richard F. Lyon"  <DickLyon@xxxxxxxx>
Date:    Mon, 8 Mar 2010 13:08:15 -0800
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Martin, Maybe I misinterpreted what was behind your statements, and I agree it was impolitic (but maybe short of slander) to say what I thought. >Just one example. In the 1950s it was well established and widely >discussed that temporary threshold shift (TTS) due to high-level >sound exposure does not occur at the place of the characteristic >frequency (CF) of the stimulus (say, 2 kHz) but about half an octave >towards the base of the cochlea (i.e., at the CF place of 3 kHz). >These often repeated observations were, and still are, evidence for >the view that the basilar membrane traveling wave peaks about half >an octave basalwards of the neural CF. Yet, Bekesy and his followers >succeeded in treating this evidence as if it did not exist. The half-octave shift was hard to interpret back when the view was that the cochlea was pretty much linear, but has since been incorporated as an inevitable side effect of variable-peak-gain nonlinear models that match the observed BM mechanics. It's easily incorporated in nonlinear traveling wave models. Nonlinear models, like the real cochlea, have a maximum response that occurs at places basalward of the place that has the corresponding CF. You are correct in saying that there is good "evidence for the view that the basilar membrane traveling wave peaks about half an octave basalwards of the neural CF", for high enough levels. Only at very low levels does the wave, or the neural response, peak near the CF place. This is well known and accepted, like the traveling wave concept itself, and is true independent of whether the model is based on the traveling wave being the main mechanism of energy transport. The half-octave basalward shift therefore doesn't provide much support one way or the other for what I think this argument might be about. Or maybe I'm wrong on what it's about, since I seem to be unable to fathom the motivations... The half-octave shift of the response maximum with level (or at least part of it) can also be induced by stimulating the efferents, or by a loud contralateral sound that stimulates the efferents. Anything that "turns down the gain" of the "cochlear amplifier" will make the wave peak earlier (more basally) and damp out sooner. Noise-induced TTS is just one extreme example, and it certainly hasn't been ignored. Other such effects are widely investigated. Here's a recent paper available online that talks about some: http://lib.ioa.ac.cn/ScienceDB/JASA/JASA1997/PDFS/VOL_102/ISS_3/1719_1.PDF (I don't know what this site in China is about, but they seem to have a lot of JASA papers freely available -- is that legit?). I didn't know von Bekesy, but probably some of "his followers" are among the people I know who have incorporated nonlinearity into our understanding of hearing over the last four decades. Why do you say they treat the evidence as if it does not exist? Evidence that's hard to explain is always good to examine; that's where new ideas and findings come from. So bring on some more. As an example of evidence that's hard to explain, we have the blocked-round-window experiment of Perez 2009. It needs to be investigated further, so we can see if it can be replicated, and if so what it means. If occlusion by super-glue is really stiff enough to prevent the stapes initiating a traveling wave, we should be able to see that by greatly reduced stapes motion, or reflected energy in the ear canal, or impedance change at the eardrum or some such measurement. If the threshold of hearing is really unchanged when the stapes isn't moving, that's one thing. If the stapes is moving in spite of super-glue on the round window, that's something else. The comment on Martin's site says "Immobilization of the round window reduces, or even abolishes, a local motion of the basilar membrane (BM) toward the scala timpani upon sound exposure. The reason is that a volume shift in the scala timpani is impeded, or even made impossible, if the round window membrane can no longer bulge outwards. Therefore, a sound induced BM traveling wave along the cochlea must necessarily be greatly reduced under this condition. The findings that a reduction of the BM traveling wave leaves hearing thresholds unchanged, but increases vulnerability against acoustic overload, constitute a direct experimental confirmation of a completely new theory of cochlear functions that was first published 16 years ago. (Comment Martin Braun)" This seems to be way beyond what the authors of the paper could dare to conclude. If it turns out to be true, then we would all have to admit that the traveling wave isn't the effective stimulus for hearing; but we're not there yet. I'm not convinced that Reinhart's explanation solves the problem. If the stapes moves and initiates a traveling wave, the fluid has to have some place to go; that is, the basal region is in the long-wave region, not just a wave confined to the around the membrane. If it's not the round window, then maybe there's another possible path, as Dave mentioned, "There is some very good evidence that there is a third window in the cochlea from H. Nakajima et al that was presented at this year's ARO meeting." They considered various possibilities. For those who were not there, here's their abstract: Is There a Physiological Third Window? Measurements of Human Cadaveric Intracochlear Differential Pressures for Round Window Stimulation with Fixed Stapes Hideko Nakajima, Saumil N. Merchant, John Rosowski Abstract: It has been hypothesized that the inner ear is a rigid structure filled with incompressible fluid, with only two flexible windows to produce differential pressure across the partition for transduction of sound. This hypothesis has been supported with experiments in the past for the case of a normal inner ear with forward stimulation through the oval window. However, this evidence does not rule out the existence of a normal physiological third window that is small in conductance compared to the oval and round windows, such that the small third window influence is insignificant under normal conditions. In the case of reverse round window (RW) cochlear stimulation, fixation of the stapes should prevent cochlear transduction if the hypothesis held true. However, it has been reported that RW stimulation has improved hearing in patients with fixed stapes (Beltrame et al 2009). RW stimulation has potential as a treatment for stapes fixation when stapedectomy is contraindicated. Our experimental results in cadaveric temporal bone preparations show that reverse RW stimulation after fixation of the stapes resulted in higher pressures in both scalae, which were similar (within 1 dB) in magnitude. However, the calculation of the complex differential pressure revealed significant pressure difference, indicating achievable hearing. These results suggest that a clinically-relevant physiological third window likely exists in the scala vestibuli compartment. Possible fluid release mechanisms include the endolymphatic duct, neural and vascular channels, as well as the possibility that the bone surrounding the inner ear is not infinitely rigid throughout, and/or that the combination of having unequal volumes in scala vestibuli and scala tympani with slight fluid compressibility results in a physiological third window. I think this is pretty good evidence that people are working on understanding the data, not ignoring it. Martin, since I don't have the Perez paper handy, can you tell us what the statistical support was for their observation that "In the four control ears, there was no change in ABR threshold 24 hours after the round window was occluded."? Would a hypothesis of a few dB of threshold rise be equally compatible with their data? That's what the "third physiological window" idea would suggest. Dick


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