Subject: Re: AUDITORY Digest - 6 Oct 2009 to 7 Oct 2009 (#2009-230) From: Margaret Mortz <mmortz@xxxxxxxx> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 20:27:17 -0700 List-Archive:<http://lists.mcgill.ca/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=AUDITORY>--00c09f9720552edeeb04757828d0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A review of tinnitus by Byung In Han, et al, is given in free full text format at http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=3D2686891 (J Clin Neurol. 2009 March; 5(1): 11=9619. Published online 2009 March 31. doi: 10.3988/jcn.2009.5.1.11.) He points out that there are several types of tinnitus. He discussescharacteristics, causes, mechanisms, and treatments Robert Folmer of OHSU's Tinnitus Clinic compares tinnitus, and the treatment, to phantom pain after limb loss. http://www.audiologyonline.com/articles/article_detail.asp?article_id=3D245= http : (* Also, Otolaryngology - Head and Neck Surgery*, Volume 124, Issue 4, Pages 394-400) Margaret On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 3:47 PM, Didier Depireux <depireux@xxxxxxxx> wrote: > Jont, > > You say: "if Tinnitus were typically generated in the cochlea (there > is lots of evidence for this), then there would be a place in the > brain that would hear this. Then some people come along and see the > signal in the brain, and conclude, that tinnitus is generated in the > brain. I hope there's more to it than this". > > If I can paraphrase, you think tinnitus is generated in the cochlea. > So Arnaud and I pointed out that most people with a disconnected > cochlea have tinnitus. In my mind, that might quite possibly indicate > that tinnitus is not always generated in the cochlea. > > You reply: "This is a meaningless indicator. If you drive a truck over > someone's head and crush their skull, they will become blind. Does it > follow that you see with your skull?" > > I don't get it. > > Didier > > Didier A Depireux depireux@xxxxxxxx > Inst. for Systems Research http://theearlab.org > School of Engineering Ph: 410-925-6546 > U Md College Park MD 20742 USA > Adjunct, BioEngineering > > > On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 10:21 AM, Jont Allen <jontalle@xxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Dear all, > > > > Three comments below. You will need to search for them. I get the diges= t > > version, so its all mixed together. > --00c09f9720552edeeb04757828d0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A review of tinnitus by Byung In Han, et al,=A0 is given in free full text = format at<br> <a href=3D"http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=3D2686= 891">http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=3D2686891</a= ><br><br> <div class=3D"fm-citation"><div><span class=3D"citation-abbreviation">(J Cl= in Neurol. </span><span class=3D"citation-publication-date">2009 March; </s= pan><span class=3D"citation-volume">5</span><span class=3D"citation-issue">= (1)</span><span class=3D"citation-flpages">: 11=9619. </span></div> <div><span class=3D"fm-vol-iss-date">Published online 2009 March 31. </span= ><span class=3D"fm-vol-iss-date"> </span><span class=3D"fm-vol-iss-date">do= i: 10.3988/jcn.2009.5.1.11.)<br> <br> He points out that there are several types of tinnitus.=A0 He discusses</sp= an> characteristics, causes, mechanisms, and treatments<br> </div></div> <br> Robert Folmer of OHSU's Tinnitus Clinic compares tinnitus, and the trea= tment, to phantom pain after limb loss.<br> <a href=3D"http://www.audiologyonline.com/articles/article_detail.asp?artic= le_id=3D245http">http://www.audiologyonline.com/articles/article_detail.asp= ?article_id=3D245http</a>:<br> (<em>=A0 Also, Otolaryngology - Head and Neck Surgery</em>, Volume 124, Iss= ue 4, Pages 394-400)<br> <br> Margaret<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 3:47 PM, = Didier Depireux <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:depireux@xxxxxxxx"= >depireux@xxxxxxxx</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo= te" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt= 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> Jont,<br> <br> You say: "if Tinnitus were typically generated in the cochlea (there<b= r> is lots of evidence for this), then there would be a place in the<br> brain that would hear this. Then some people come along and see the<br> signal in the brain, and conclude, that tinnitus is generated in the<br> brain. I hope there's more to it than this".<br> <br> If I can paraphrase, you think tinnitus is generated in the cochlea.<br> So Arnaud and I pointed out that most people with a disconnected<br> cochlea have tinnitus. In my mind, that might quite possibly indicate<br> that tinnitus is not always generated in the cochlea.<br> <br> You reply: "This is a meaningless indicator. If you drive a truck over= <br> <div class=3D"im">someone's head and crush their skull, they will becom= e blind. Does it<br> follow that you see with your skull?"<br> <br> </div>I don't get it.<br> <div class=3D"im"><br> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Didier<br> <br> Didier A Depireux =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0<a href=3D"mailto:depireux= @xxxxxxxx">depireux@xxxxxxxx</a><br> Inst. for Systems Research =A0 =A0<a href=3D"http://theearlab.org" target= =3D"_blank">http://theearlab.org</a><br> School of Engineering =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Ph: 410-925-6546<br> U Md College Park MD 20742 USA<br> Adjunct, BioEngineering<br> <br> <br> </div><div><div></div><div class=3D"h5">On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 10:21 AM, Jo= nt Allen <<a href=3D"mailto:jontalle@xxxxxxxx">jontalle@xxxxxxxx</a>>= wrote:<br> > Dear all,<br> ><br> > Three comments below. You will need to search for them. I get the dige= st<br> > version, so its all mixed together.<br> </div></div></blockquote></div><br> --00c09f9720552edeeb04757828d0--