Subject: Re: On "learned" A/P, lattice / grid From: Martin Braun <nombraun@xxxxxxxx> Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 19:16:39 +0200 List-Archive:<http://lists.mcgill.ca/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=AUDITORY>Dear Eliot and list, > Martin, > > I can only understand you here to be suggesting that pitches have > intrinsic, specific & perceptible qualities that are part of the > makeup of, say, a tune that works. Yes, that's what I did. Each person has an internal chroma map that has developed under the exposure to the pitch characteristics of ambient speech and music. Some of these characteristics are more personal, such as pitch ranges of familiar voices. Others are more general, such as the pitch range of voices in a geographical region, or a pitch norm in music. The specific imprinting on a person's chroma map is likely to have effects during hearing, speaking, and making music. > So, since melody is based partly on intrinsic pitch properties, people who > enjoy music > necessarily must have some sort of AP. Have I misunderstood? Here you have misunderstood. Production and perception of a melody is influenced by "intrinsic pitch properties", yes. But these properties are not the only reason that people enjoy music. For example, we can still enjoy a known melody after transposition, though usually somewhat less so. Martin --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Braun Neuroscience of Music S-671 95 Klässbol Sweden web site: http://w1.570.telia.com/~u57011259/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eliot Handelman" <eliot@xxxxxxxx> To: <AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 4:41 PM Subject: Re: On "learned" A/P, lattice / grid > Martin Braun wrote: >> Pitch combinations do not just work through intervals, but through chroma >> and intervals. Well, chroma has always been on the dark side of the moon. >> That's why music theory did not get at it. The good thing is that good >> composers and musicians of all times, and irrespective of verbal AP, have >> made use of chroma memory - subconsciously.