Subject: Re: MFCC method From: "Richard F. Lyon" <DickLyon@xxxxxxxx> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 08:36:44 -0800 List-Archive:<http://lists.mcgill.ca/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=AUDITORY>I agree that the Greenwood function would be more logical, but as Lazlo Toth points out, there's not really enough difference to matter in cases that have been looked at. Don Greenwood gave me a collection of his papers, which I'm supposed to put on-line some place and summarize better in wikipedia, too. Thanks for pointing out that article; I might link some paper copies there, and refer to it from the mel article. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenwood_Function And I want to thank Malcolm again since I might not have made it clear that the reason the info appears in wikipedia is because he sent it here, and sent me copies of the papers. He has the sense to convert his hearing library to digital form some years ago, so he can find things that I never can. Dick At 11:28 PM -0800 1/8/09, Arturo Camacho wrote: >Dear Dick, > >The Wikipedia page that you mention says that the Mel scale >"approximates the human auditory system's response more closely than >the linearly-spaced frequency bands used in the normal cepstrum." If >that means that the Mel scale approximates better the tonotopic >response of the cochlea than the linear scale, I wonder if it would >not be an even better idea to use the Greenwood function (see entry in >Wikipedia), which was explicitly created with that purpose. (Recall >that the Mel scale was designed to represent equidistant steps in >pitch, but that does not necessarily corresponds with equidistant >tonotopic steps.) > >Regards, > >Arturo > > >On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 8:46 PM, Richard F. Lyon <DickLyon@xxxxxxxx> wrote: >> Thanks Malcolm; now that you've told us, it's in wikipedia: >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mel-frequency_cepstrum#History >> Including the connection to earlier work by Pols; I can share >> a copy of Plomp, Pols, and van de Geer (1967) on request. >> >> Dick >> >> At 2:07 PM -0800 1/7/09, Malcolm Slaney wrote: >>> >>> On Jan 7, 2009, at 12:40 PM, James W. Beauchamp wrote: >>>> >>>> I'm looking for a (the?) seminal article on the MFCC method of >>>> coding spectral envelopes. It could be a journal paper or a chapter >>>> in a book. Also, who was the first to publish on this idea? >>> >>> These are the usual references, especially the 1980 paper. >>> >>> P. Mermelstein, Distance measures for speech recognition, psychological >>> and instrumental, in Pattern Recognition and Artificial Intelligence, C. H. >>> Chen, Ed., pp. 374388. Academic, New York, 1976. >>> >>> S.B. Davis, and P. Mermelstein, Comparison of Parametric Representations >>> for Monosyllabic Word Recognition in Continuously Spoken Sentences, in IEEE >>> Transactions on Acoustics, Speech, and Signal Processing, vol. 28(4), 1980, >>> pp. 357366. >>> >>> >>> But Mermelstein usually credits John Bridle's work for the idea >>> JSRU Report No. 1003 >>> AN EXPERIMENTAL AUTOMATIC WORD·RECOGNITION SYSTEM: >>> INTERIM REPORT >>> J . S. Bridle and M. D. Brown >>> >>> >>> I have copies of the early two if you need them. >>> >>> - Malcolm >> > > > >-- >__________________________________________________ > >Arturo Camacho, PhD >Alumni >Computer and Information Science and Engineering >University of Florida > >E-mail: acamacho@xxxxxxxx >Web page: www.cise.ufl.edu/~acamacho >__________________________________________________