Subject: Re: About silence and breath From: Kevin Austin <kevin.austin@xxxxxxxx> Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 13:30:19 -0400 List-Archive:<http://lists.mcgill.ca/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=AUDITORY>Responding as a composer, not a scientist, in this context I have used the word "segmentation" to mean to determine where something 'begins' and 'ends', possibly a very low level (fundamental) process, and this (in my use) is perceptual. Segmentation therefor occurs at many levels, largely dependent upon the perceptual / cognitive processes of the individual. Best Kevin On 2009, Jul 5, at 11:21 AM, Pablo Hernan Rodriguez Zivic wrote: > When you say segmentation you are refering to something like the > grouping structure of Lerdhal and Jackendoff? >> 'Silence' in music (as noted by others) may be a perceptual >> phenomena, and not related to having 'no acoustical event'. The >> Mahler First Symphony begins from 'silence', and the silence is >> sustained (sic) behind the acoustical events of the introduction. >> As a perceptual event, I consider acoustical silence an >> implausibility. If you wish to model silence acoustically, it looks >> like this 00000000000, however if you wish to model silence in a >> 'musical' sense, you may wish to research [what I consider to be] >> the first step in auditory scene analysis, segmentation. >> > When you say segmentation you are refering to something like the > grouping structure of Lerdhal and Jackendoff? >> Please keep us informed on your progress. > Of course amigo! > > Saludos! >> >> >> >>> Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 12:11:48 -0300 >>> From: Pablo Hernan Rodriguez Zivic <elsonidoq@xxxxxxxx> >>> Subject: About Silence >>> >>> Hello everyone! >>> >>> My name is Pablo. I apologize in advance of my english =D. >>> >>> I recently joined this mailing list because I'm doing some research >>> about music. My intention is to use computational/statistical >>> models to >>> create music, and that models be driven by cognitive/musical >>> claims (1). >>> >>> Since the very beginning of my research I had trouble modeling >>> silence. >>> The silence is not just another pitch which has the ability of not >>> to >>> sound. I think that silence has to be treated apart from pitches, >>> but I >>> don't know how. >>> >>> So here comes my question: Do you know anything I can read to help >>> me >>> out with this? >>> >>> Thanks you all! >>> >>> Pablo >>> >>> >>> (1) If you are interested, you can hear an example here of what I've >>> already done: http://lafhis.dc.uba.ar/%7Epzivic/E.nar.mid >>> >>> In that example, the piano is of Scott Joplin, and the solo is >>> composed >>> by mi program. The silences that you hear, are artificial, is just >>> a simple rule that I >>> introduced, if the solo plays all the time it gets annoying. >>> >