Re: own voice versus recorded voice perception (Song Hui Chon )


Subject: Re: own voice versus recorded voice perception
From:    Song Hui Chon  <shchon@xxxxxxxx>
Date:    Sat, 11 Apr 2009 12:06:10 -0700
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This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=OPENWEBMAIL_ATT_0.697754770125361 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by drizzle.cc.mcgill.ca id n3BJ6IAA025120 Sook Young Won at CCRMA=A0(Stanford) has been studying the relationship b= etween bone-conducted and air-conducted voice perception=A0from a singer'= s perspective. Her publications are listed on her website: http://ccrma.s= tanford.edu/~sywon/. Hope this helps, SongHui Chon On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 21:24:26 +0200, Beerends, J.G. (John) wrote > There is a paper on the perceived quality of one's own voice:=20 >=20 > S. R. Appel and J. G. Beerends, =93On the quality of hearing ones own v= oice,=94 J. Audio Eng. Soc., vol. 50, pp. 237-248 (2002 April).=20 > =A0=20 > John Beerends > TNO ICT > The Netherlands >=20 > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AUDITORY - Research in Auditory Perception [mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx= CGILL.CA] On Behalf Of Makoto Fukushima > Sent: vrijdag 10 april 2009 18:37 > To: AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: own voice versus recorded voice perception >=20 >=20 > There is a review on bone conduction sound:=20 >=20 > Stenfelt and Goode. Bone-conducted sound: Physiological and clinical as= pects. Otol Neurotol (2005) vol. 26 (6) pp. 1245-1261=20 >=20 > The following study suggests that=A0=A0bone conduction sound dominates = perception of a=A0person's own voice for frequencies between 700 Hz=A0and= 1200 Hz. =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=20 >=20 > P=F6rschmann. Influences of Bone Conduction and Air Conduction on the S= ound of One's Own Voice. Acta Acustica united with Acustica (2000)=20 >=20 > Best,=20 >=20 > Makoto=A0 >=20 > On Apr 9, 2009, at 8:44 PM, Hornsby, Benjamin Wade Young wrote: >=20 > Hi All,=20 > This is a bit of an odd request but I've been asked to comment on the q= uestion "Why does one=92s voice sound different to them when they hear it= played back from a recording? And why do people normally dislike the sou= nd of their recorded voice?"=20 > My own thoughts are that this has to do with the fact that we hear our = own voice via a combination of air and bone conducted sound while the rec= orded voice would be via air conduction alone. I imagine there are some d= ifferences in the transmission characteristics of sound to the cochlea fr= om the vocal folds via air versus the body that would also affect our per= ception of the sound of our voice.=20 > That said, I did a quick search and didn't find any published research = (plenty of speculation similar to mine) discussing this topic and was hop= ing some=A0one might point me to some relevant references. Any help is gr= eatly appreciated.=A0=20 > =A0=20 > Take Care,=20 > =A0=20 > Ben Hornsby=20 > =A0 >This e-mail and its contents are=20 subject to the DISCLAIMER at=20 http://www.tno.nl/disclaimer/email.html __________________________________________________=20 CCRMA =20 ------=OPENWEBMAIL_ATT_0.697754770125361 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <HTML> <HEAD> <META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1" http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META content=3D"OPENWEBMAIL" name=3DGENERATOR> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <p><font size=3D"2">Sook Young Won at CCRMA=A0(Stanford) has been studying = the relationship between bone-conducted and air-conducted voice perception= =A0from a singer's perspective. Her publications are listed on her website:= <a href=3D"http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~sywon/">http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~s= ywon/</a>.</font></p> <p><font size=3D"2">Hope this helps,</font></p> <p><font size=3D"2">SongHui Chon</font></p> <p><font size=3D"2"><b>On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 21:24:26 +0200, Beerends, J.G. (= John) wrote</b> <br />&gt; <span class=3D"786502119-10042009"><font face=3D"Arial" color=3D= "#0000ff" size=3D"2">There is a paper on the perceived quality of one's own= voice:</font></span>=20 <br />&gt; <span class=3D"786502119-10042009"> <br />&gt; <font face=3D"Helvetica"><font size=3D"2"><span lang=3D"EN-US" s= tyle=3D"LAYOUT-GRID-MODE: line; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-font-wei= ght: bold">S. R. Appel and J. G. Beerends, <i>=93On the quality of hearing = ones own voice,=94 </i></span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-ansi-langua= ge: EN-US; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold; mso-bidi-font-style: italic">J. Audi= o Eng. Soc., vol</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-ansi-language: EN-= US; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold">. 50, pp. 237-248 (2002 April)</span></font= ><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold; = mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">.</span></font>=20 <br />&gt; <font face=3D"Helvetica"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"FONT-SIZE= : 9pt; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt"></span></fon= t>=A0=20 <br />&gt; <font face=3D"Helvetica"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"FONT-SIZE= : 9pt; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt"></span></fon= t><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-bidi-font-weight: bold"> <p><span class=3D"786502119-10042009"><font face=3D"Arial" color=3D"#0000ff= " size=3D"2">John Beerends</font></span></p> </span>=20 <br />&gt; <span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-bidi-font-weight: bold"> <p><span class=3D"786502119-10042009"><font face=3D"Arial" color=3D"#0000ff= " size=3D"2">TNO ICT</font></span></p> </span>=20 <br />&gt; <span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-bidi-font-weight: bold"> <p><span class=3D"786502119-10042009"><font face=3D"Arial" color=3D"#0000ff= " size=3D"2">The Netherlands</font></span></p> </span></span> <br />&gt;=20 <br />&gt; </font></p> <p> <hr tabindex=3D"-1" /></p> <p><font face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2"><b>From:</b> AUDITORY - Research in Aud= itory Perception [mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mako= to Fukushima <br />&gt; <b>Sent:</b> vrijdag 10 april 2009 18:37 <br />&gt; <b>To:</b> AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx <br />&gt; <b>Subject:</b> Re: own voice versus recorded voice perception <br />&gt; </font> <br />&gt;=20 <br />&gt; There is a review on bone conduction sound:=20 <br />&gt;=20 <br />&gt; <font style=3D"FONT: 12px Helvetica; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0)" face=3D"= Helvetica" color=3D"#000000" size=3D"3">Stenfelt and Goode. Bone-conducted = sound: Physiological and clinical aspects. Otol Neurotol (2005) vol. 26 (6)= pp. 1245-1261</font>=20 <br />&gt;=20 <br />&gt; The following study suggests that=A0=A0bone conduction sound dom= inates perception of a=A0person's own voice for frequencies between 700 Hz= =A0and 1200 Hz. =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=20 <br />&gt;=20 <br />&gt; P=F6rschmann. Influences of Bone Conduction and Air Conduction o= n the Sound of One's Own Voice. Acta Acustica united with Acustica (2000)= =20 <br />&gt;=20 <br />&gt; Best,=20 <br />&gt;=20 <br />&gt; Makoto=A0 <br />&gt;=20 <br />&gt; On Apr 9, 2009, at 8:44 PM, Hornsby, Benjamin Wade Young wrote: <br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline" /></p> <blockquote type=3D"cite"> <br />&gt;=20 <br />&gt; <font face=3D"Arial" color=3D"#000000" size=3D"2">Hi All,</font>= =20 <br />&gt; <font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">This is a bit of an odd request = but I've been asked to comment on the question &quot;<span style=3D"FONT-SI= ZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Why does one=92s voice sound different to the= m when they hear it played back from a recording? And why do people normall= y dislike the sound of their recorded voice?&quot; </span></font> <br />&gt; <font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; = FONT-FAMILY: Arial">My own thoughts are that this has to do with the fact t= hat we hear our own voice via a combination of air and bone conducted sound= while the recorded voice would be via air conduction alone. I imagine ther= e are some differences in the transmission characteristics of sound to the = cochlea from the vocal folds via air versus the body that would also affect= our perception of the sound of our voice.</span></font>=20 <br />&gt; <font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; = FONT-FAMILY: Arial">That said, I did a quick search and didn't find any pub= lished research (plenty of speculation similar to mine) discussing this top= ic and was hoping some=A0one might point me to some relevant references. </= span></font><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt;= FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Any help is greatly appreciated.=A0 </span></font> <br />&gt; <font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; = FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></span></font>=A0=20 <br />&gt; <font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; = FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Take Care,</span></font>=20 <br />&gt; <font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; = FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></span></font>=A0=20 <br />&gt; <font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; = FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Ben Hornsby</span></font>=20 <br />&gt; <font face=3D"Arial" color=3D"#000000" size=3D"2"><font face=3D"= Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></span></font><= /font>=A0</blockquote> <br />&gt;=20 <pre>This e-mail and its contents are=20 subject to the DISCLAIMER at=20 http://www.tno.nl/disclaimer/email.html </pre> <br /> <br /> <br />__________________________________________________=20 <br />CCRMA=20 <br /> <br /> </BODY> </HTML> ------=OPENWEBMAIL_ATT_0.697754770125361--


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