Subject: Re: own voice versus recorded voice perception From: "Beerends, J.G. (John)" <john.beerends@xxxxxxxx> Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 21:24:26 +0200 List-Archive:<http://lists.mcgill.ca/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=AUDITORY>This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C9BA11.F6156314 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There is a paper on the perceived quality of one's own voice: S. R. Appel and J. G. Beerends, "On the quality of hearing ones own voice,"= J. Audio Eng. Soc., vol. 50, pp. 237-248 (2002 April). =20 John Beerends TNO ICT The Netherlands ________________________________ From: AUDITORY - Research in Auditory Perception [mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx= ILL.CA] On Behalf Of Makoto Fukushima Sent: vrijdag 10 april 2009 18:37 To: AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx Subject: Re: own voice versus recorded voice perception There is a review on bone conduction sound: Stenfelt and Goode. Bone-conducted sound: Physiological and clinical aspect= s. Otol Neurotol (2005) vol. 26 (6) pp. 1245-1261 The following study suggests that bone conduction sound dominates percepti= on of a person's own voice for frequencies between 700 Hz and 1200 Hz. = =20 P=F6rschmann. Influences of Bone Conduction and Air Conduction on the Sound= of One's Own Voice. Acta Acustica united with Acustica (2000) Best, Makoto=20 On Apr 9, 2009, at 8:44 PM, Hornsby, Benjamin Wade Young wrote: Hi All, This is a bit of an odd request but I've been asked to comment on the ques= tion "Why does one's voice sound different to them when they hear it played= back from a recording? And why do people normally dislike the sound of the= ir recorded voice?"=20 My own thoughts are that this has to do with the fact that we hear our own= voice via a combination of air and bone conducted sound while the recorded= voice would be via air conduction alone. I imagine there are some differen= ces in the transmission characteristics of sound to the cochlea from the vo= cal folds via air versus the body that would also affect our perception of = the sound of our voice. That said, I did a quick search and didn't find any published research (pl= enty of speculation similar to mine) discussing this topic and was hoping s= ome one might point me to some relevant references. Any help is greatly app= reciated.=20 =20 Take Care, =20 Ben Hornsby =20 =09 =09 This e-mail and its contents are subject to the DISCLAIMER at http://www.tn= o.nl/disclaimer/email.html ------_=_NextPart_001_01C9BA11.F6156314 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.6000.16809" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY=20 style=3D"WORD-WRAP: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-brea= k: after-white-space"> <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D786502119-10042009><FONT face=3DA= rial=20 color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>There is a paper on the perceived quality of one's= own=20 voice:</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D786502119-10042009> <P class=3DReference style=3D"MARGIN: 6pt 0cm 0pt 42.55pt"><FONT=20 face=3DHelvetica><FONT size=3D2><SPAN lang=3DEN-US=20 style=3D"LAYOUT-GRID-MODE: line; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-font-we= ight: bold">S.=20 R. Appel and J. G. Beerends, <I>=93On the quality of hearing ones own voice= ,=94=20 </I></SPAN><SPAN lang=3DEN-US=20 style=3D"mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold; mso-bidi-fon= t-style: italic">J.=20 Audio Eng. Soc., vol</SPAN><SPAN lang=3DEN-US=20 style=3D"mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold">. 50, pp. 23= 7-248=20 (2002 April)</SPAN></FONT><SPAN lang=3DEN-GB=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold; mso-bidi-font-size: 10= .0pt">.</SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DReference style=3D"MARGIN: 6pt 0cm 0pt 42.55pt"><FONT=20 face=3DHelvetica><SPAN lang=3DEN-GB=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold; mso-bidi-font-size: 10= .0pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P> <P class=3DReference style=3D"MARGIN: 6pt 0cm 0pt 42.55pt"><FONT=20 face=3DHelvetica><SPAN lang=3DEN-GB=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold; mso-bidi-font-size: 10= .0pt"></SPAN></FONT><SPAN=20 lang=3DEN-GB style=3D"mso-bidi-font-weight: bold"><?xml:namespace prefix = =3D o ns =3D=20 "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p><SPAN=20 class=3D786502119-10042009><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>John=20 Beerends</FONT></SPAN></o:p></SPAN></P> <P class=3DReference style=3D"MARGIN: 6pt 0cm 0pt 42.55pt"><SPAN lang=3DEN-= GB=20 style=3D"mso-bidi-font-weight: bold"><o:p><SPAN class=3D786502119-10042009>= <FONT=20 face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>TNO ICT</FONT></SPAN></o:p></SPAN></P> <P class=3DReference style=3D"MARGIN: 6pt 0cm 0pt 42.55pt"><SPAN lang=3DEN-= GB=20 style=3D"mso-bidi-font-weight: bold"><o:p><SPAN class=3D786502119-10042009>= <FONT=20 face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>The=20 Netherlands</FONT></SPAN></o:p></SPAN></P></SPAN></DIV><BR> <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft> <HR tabIndex=3D-1> <FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> AUDITORY - Research in Auditory P= erception=20 [mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx <B>On Behalf Of </B>Makoto=20 Fukushima<BR><B>Sent:</B> vrijdag 10 april 2009 18:37<BR><B>To:</B>=20 AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: own voice versus recorded v= oice=20 perception<BR></FONT><BR></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">There is a review on bone conduction sound:</DIV> <DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px"><BR></DIV> <DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style=3D"FONT: 12px Helvetica; COLOR: rgb(= 0,0,0)"=20 face=3DHelvetica color=3D#000000 size=3D3>Stenfelt and Goode. Bone-conducte= d sound:=20 Physiological and clinical aspects. Otol Neurotol (2005) vol. 26 (6) pp.=20 1245-1261</FONT></DIV> <DIV> <DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px"><BR></DIV> <DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">The following study suggests that bon= e=20 conduction sound dominates perception of a person's own voice for=20 frequencies between 700 Hz and 1200 Hz. &n= bsp;=20  = ;=20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px"><BR></DIV> <DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">P=F6rschmann. Influences of Bone Conduction and = Air=20 Conduction on the Sound of One's Own Voice. Acta Acustica united with Acust= ica=20 (2000)</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>Best,</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV></DIV></DIV> <DIV>Makoto </DIV><BR> <DIV> <DIV>On Apr 9, 2009, at 8:44 PM, Hornsby, Benjamin Wade Young wrote:</DIV><= BR=20 class=3DApple-interchange-newline> <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"> <DIV> <DIV id=3DidOWAReplyText26912 dir=3Dltr> <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Hi All,</FONT>= </DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This is a bit of an odd reques= t but I've=20 been asked to comment on the question "<SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Why does one=92s voice soun= d=20 different to them when they hear it played back from a recording? And why= do=20 people normally dislike the sound of their recorded voice?"=20 </SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">My own thoughts are that th= is has=20 to do with the fact that we hear our own voice via a combination of air a= nd=20 bone conducted sound while the recorded voice would be via air conduction=20 alone. I imagine there are some differences in the transmission=20 characteristics of sound to the cochlea from the vocal folds via air vers= us=20 the body that would also affect our perception of the sound of our=20 voice.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">That said, I did a quick se= arch=20 and didn't find any published research (plenty of speculation similar to = mine)=20 discussing this topic and was hoping some one might point me to some=20 relevant references. </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Any help is greatly=20 appreciated. </SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Take Care,</SPAN></FONT></D= IV> <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Ben Hornsby</SPAN></FONT></= DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D2><FONT=20 face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT></FONT> </DIV><FONT face=3DA= rial=20 color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT></DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000000=20 size=3D2></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><pre>This e-mail and its con= tents are subject to the DISCLAIMER at http://www.tno.nl/disclaimer/email.h= tml </pre></BODY></HTML> ------_=_NextPart_001_01C9BA11.F6156314--