Sound card recommendations? (Patrick Maas )


Subject: Sound card recommendations?
From:    Patrick Maas  <PMA@xxxxxxxx>
Date:    Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:31:41 +0100
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This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C94373.5A556A92 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear members of the list, We are trying to conduct challenging acoustic recordings in a complex spatial setup, but our soundcard doesn't seem to support our requirements. For the recordings we need to present sound trough six channels and record with three channels concurrently. The required sample rate is 96 kHz with an audio sample size of 32 bits. And basically, each bit is of high importance. We have had very good results using an ECHO Layla G3 sound card with a PCI card interface on a stationary laboratory PC. In order to give us more flexibility with the setup we want to move the setup to a laptop PC with a ECHO Audiofire8 sound card connected via a Firewire400 interface. Both cards have very similar technical specifications and are supposed to support the mentioned requirements. The laptop has more computational power and larger working memories as the stationary PC. Unfortunately, when conducting recordings with the firewire card we always obtain glitches corrupting the measurements. According to ECHO, the fault might be a not compatible chipset in the PC's firewire interface. We tried the firewire card on various PC/Laptops in house but none is willing to work properly. In our thoughts, the glitches could appear because we use the card on its limits, but the PCI version doesn't show these issues. My question to the list is now, whether there is anybody who can recommend a reliable firewire sound card, able to record present and record sound on various channels simultaneously with a high sensitivity and reliability? Is there possibly anyone who has experience with ECHO Audiofire12 sound card? This would probably be our next attempt, since we would gain some headroom. The card has up to 12 analogue inputs and 12 analogue outputs and a maximum sample rate of 192 kHz. Best regards, Patrick (((O)))(((O)))(((O)))(((O)))(((O))) Dipl.-Ing.(FH) Patrick Maas, MSc. Research Engineer Oticon A/S Eriksholm Research Centre Kongevejen 243 DK-3070 Snekkersten E-mail: pma@xxxxxxxx Phone: +45 48 29 89 00 +45 48 29 89 31 (direct) Fax: +45 49 22 36 29 (((O)))(((O)))(((O)))(((O)))(((O))) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C94373.5A556A92 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Dus-ascii"> <META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version = 6.5.7652.24"> <TITLE>Sound card recommendations?</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <!-- Converted from text/rtf format --> <P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"></SPAN><SPAN = LANG=3D"en-gb"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT FACE=3D"Calibri">Dear = members of the list,</FONT></SPAN></P> <P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"></SPAN><SPAN = LANG=3D"en-gb"></SPAN></P> <P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT FACE=3D"Calibri">We are trying = to conduct</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"> <FONT = FACE=3D"Calibri">challenging</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"> <FONT = FACE=3D"Calibri">acoustic recordings</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"> = <FONT FACE=3D"Calibri">in</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT = FACE=3D"Calibri"> a</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"> <FONT = FACE=3D"Calibri">complex</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"> <FONT = FACE=3D"Calibri">spatial setup</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT = FACE=3D"Calibri">, but our soundcard doesn</FONT></SPAN><SPAN = LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT FACE=3D"Calibri">&#8217;</FONT></SPAN><SPAN = LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT FACE=3D"Calibri">t seem to support our = requirements</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT = FACE=3D"Calibri">.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"></SPAN></P> <P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT FACE=3D"Calibri">For the = recordings we need to present sound</FONT></SPAN><SPAN = LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT FACE=3D"Calibri"></FONT></SPAN><SPAN = LANG=3D"en-gb"> <FONT FACE=3D"Calibri">trough six cha</FONT></SPAN><SPAN = LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT FACE=3D"Calibri">nnels and record with three = channels</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT = FACE=3D"Calibri"></FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"> <FONT = FACE=3D"Calibri">concurrently. The required sample rate = is</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"> <FONT FACE=3D"Calibri">96 = kHz</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT = FACE=3D"Calibri"></FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"> <FONT = FACE=3D"Calibri">with an audio sample size of</FONT></SPAN><SPAN = LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT FACE=3D"Calibri"> 32</FONT></SPAN><SPAN = LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT FACE=3D"Calibri"></FONT></SPAN><SPAN = LANG=3D"en-gb"> <FONT FACE=3D"Calibri">bits</FONT></SPAN><SPAN = LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT FACE=3D"Calibri">.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN = LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT FACE=3D"Calibri"> And basically, each bit is of = high importance.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"></SPAN></P> <P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT FACE=3D"Calibri">We have had = very good results using an ECHO Layla G3</FONT></SPAN><SPAN = LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT FACE=3D"Calibri"> sound card with a = PCI</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"> <FONT = FACE=3D"Calibri">card</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"> <FONT = FACE=3D"Calibri">inter</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT = FACE=3D"Calibri">face on a stationary laboratory PC. In order to give us = more flexibility with the setup we wa</FONT></SPAN><SPAN = LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT FACE=3D"Calibri">nt to</FONT></SPAN><SPAN = LANG=3D"en-gb"> <FONT FACE=3D"Calibri">move</FONT></SPAN><SPAN = LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT FACE=3D"Calibri"> the setup</FONT></SPAN><SPAN = LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT FACE=3D"Calibri"> to a laptop PC with a ECHO = Audiofire8 sound card</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"> <FONT = FACE=3D"Calibri">connected via a</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT = FACE=3D"Calibri"></FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"> <FONT = FACE=3D"Calibri">F</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT = FACE=3D"Calibri">irewire</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT = FACE=3D"Calibri">400</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT = FACE=3D"Calibri"> interface</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT = FACE=3D"Calibri">.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"> <FONT = FACE=3D"Calibri">Both</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"> <FONT = FACE=3D"Calibri">cards have very similar technical</FONT></SPAN><SPAN = LANG=3D"en-gb"> <FONT FACE=3D"Calibri">specifications and are supposed = to support the</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"> <FONT = FACE=3D"Calibri">mentioned requirements.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN = LANG=3D"en-gb"> <FONT FACE=3D"Calibri">The laptop has</FONT></SPAN><SPAN = LANG=3D"en-gb"> <FONT FACE=3D"Calibri">m</FONT></SPAN><SPAN = LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT FACE=3D"Calibri">ore computational power and larger = working memories as the stationary PC</FONT></SPAN><SPAN = LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT FACE=3D"Calibri">.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN = LANG=3D"en-gb"> <FONT FACE=3D"Calibri">U</FONT></SPAN><SPAN = LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT FACE=3D"Calibri">nfortunately</FONT></SPAN><SPAN = LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT FACE=3D"Calibri">,</FONT></SPAN><SPAN = LANG=3D"en-gb"> <FONT FACE=3D"Calibri">when conducting = recordings</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"> <FONT = FACE=3D"Calibri">with the firewire card</FONT></SPAN><SPAN = LANG=3D"en-gb"> <FONT FACE=3D"Calibri">we always obtain = glitche</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT = FACE=3D"Calibri">s</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT = FACE=3D"Calibri"></FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"> <FONT = FACE=3D"Calibri">corrupting the measurements.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN = LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT FACE=3D"Calibri"> According to E</FONT></SPAN><SPAN = LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT FACE=3D"Calibri">CHO, the fault might be = a</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"> <FONT FACE=3D"Calibri">not = compatible chipset</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"> <FONT = FACE=3D"Calibri">in the PC</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT = FACE=3D"Calibri">&#8217;</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT = FACE=3D"Calibri">s firewire interface. W</FONT></SPAN><SPAN = LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT FACE=3D"Calibri">e tried</FONT></SPAN><SPAN = LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT FACE=3D"Calibri"> the firewire card on various = PC/Laptops in house</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT = FACE=3D"Calibri"> but none is willing to work = properly.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"></SPAN></P> <P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT FACE=3D"Calibri">In our = thoughts,</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT = FACE=3D"Calibri"></FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"> <FONT = FACE=3D"Calibri">the glitches could appear because we use the card on = its limits</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT FACE=3D"Calibri">, = but the PCI version doesn</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT = FACE=3D"Calibri">&#8217;</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT = FACE=3D"Calibri">t show these issues. My question to the list is now, = whether there is anybody who can</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"> = <FONT FACE=3D"Calibri">recommend</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT = FACE=3D"Calibri"> a reliable</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT = FACE=3D"Calibri"></FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"> <FONT = FACE=3D"Calibri">firewire</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"> <FONT = FACE=3D"Calibri">sound card</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT = FACE=3D"Calibri">, able to record present and record</FONT></SPAN><SPAN = LANG=3D"en-gb"> <FONT FACE=3D"Calibri">sound</FONT></SPAN><SPAN = LANG=3D"en-gb"> <FONT FACE=3D"Calibri">on various = channels</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"> <FONT = FACE=3D"Calibri">simultaneously</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT = FACE=3D"Calibri"></FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"> <FONT = FACE=3D"Calibri">with a high sensitivity and reliability? Is there = possibly anyone who has e</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT = FACE=3D"Calibri">xperience with ECHO Audiofire12 sound card? This = would</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"> <FONT = FACE=3D"Calibri">probably</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"> <FONT = FACE=3D"Calibri">be our</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"> <FONT = FACE=3D"Calibri">next attempt, since we would gain some headroom. The = card has up to 12</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"> <FONT = FACE=3D"Calibri">analogue inputs and 12 analogue = output</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT = FACE=3D"Calibri">s</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT = FACE=3D"Calibri"> an</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT = FACE=3D"Calibri">d a maximum sample rate of 192</FONT></SPAN><SPAN = LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT FACE=3D"Calibri"></FONT></SPAN><SPAN = LANG=3D"en-gb"> <FONT FACE=3D"Calibri">kHz.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN = LANG=3D"en-gb"></SPAN></P> <P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT FACE=3D"Calibri">Best = regards,</FONT></SPAN></P> <P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"><FONT = FACE=3D"Calibri">Patrick</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"></SPAN></P> <P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"></SPAN><SPAN = LANG=3D"en-gb"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"></SPAN><SPAN = LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT COLOR=3D"#1F497D" SIZE=3D2 = FACE=3D"Calibri">(((O)))(((O)))(((O)))(((O)))(((O)))</FONT></SPAN></P> <P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT COLOR=3D"#1F497D" SIZE=3D2 = FACE=3D"Calibri">Dipl.-Ing.(FH) Patrick Maas, MSc.</FONT></SPAN></P> <P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT COLOR=3D"#1F497D" SIZE=3D2 = FACE=3D"Calibri">Research Engineer</FONT></SPAN></P> <P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT COLOR=3D"#1F497D" SIZE=3D2 = FACE=3D"Calibri">Oticon A/S</FONT></SPAN></P> <P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT COLOR=3D"#1F497D" SIZE=3D2 = FACE=3D"Calibri">Eriksholm Research Centre</FONT></SPAN></P> <P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"></SPAN><SPAN = LANG=3D"en-gb"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"></SPAN><SPAN = LANG=3D"da"><FONT COLOR=3D"#1F497D" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Calibri">Kongevejen = 243</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"></SPAN><SPAN = LANG=3D"en-gb"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"></SPAN><SPAN = LANG=3D"da"></SPAN></P> <P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"></SPAN><SPAN = LANG=3D"en-gb"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"></SPAN><SPAN = LANG=3D"da"><FONT COLOR=3D"#1F497D" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Calibri">DK-3070 = Snekkersten</FONT></SPAN></P> <P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"da"><FONT COLOR=3D"#1F497D" SIZE=3D2 = FACE=3D"Calibri">E-mail:</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"> </SPAN><A = HREF=3D"mailto:pma@xxxxxxxx"><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"></SPAN><SPAN = LANG=3D"en-gb"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"><U></U></SPAN><U><SPAN = LANG=3D"da"><FONT COLOR=3D"#1F497D" SIZE=3D2 = FACE=3D"Calibri">pma@xxxxxxxx</FONT></SPAN></U><SPAN = LANG=3D"en-gb"></SPAN></A><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"></SPAN><SPAN = LANG=3D"en-gb"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"></SPAN><SPAN = LANG=3D"da"></SPAN></P> <P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"></SPAN><SPAN = LANG=3D"en-gb"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"></SPAN><SPAN = LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT COLOR=3D"#1F497D" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Calibri">Phone: = +45 48 29 89 00</FONT></SPAN></P> <P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT COLOR=3D"#1F497D" SIZE=3D2 = FACE=3D"Calibri">+45 48 29 89 31 (direct)</FONT></SPAN></P> <P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT COLOR=3D"#1F497D" SIZE=3D2 = FACE=3D"Calibri">Fax: &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; +45 49 22 36 = 29</FONT></SPAN></P> <P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT COLOR=3D"#1F497D" SIZE=3D2 = FACE=3D"Calibri">(((O)))(((O)))(((O)))(((O)))(((O)))</FONT></SPAN><SPAN = LANG=3D"en-gb"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"></SPAN><SPAN = LANG=3D"en-gb"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN></P> <P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"></SPAN><SPAN = LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN></P> <P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-gb"></SPAN></P> </BODY> </HTML> ------_=_NextPart_001_01C94373.5A556A92--


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