Subject: Re: AUDITORY Digest - 18 Apr 2008 to 19 Apr 2008 (#2008-84) From: "Watson, Charles S." <watson@xxxxxxxx> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 16:12:33 -0400 List-Archive:<http://lists.mcgill.ca/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=AUDITORY>Anthony, et al. For those interested in the history of this topic, (absolute pitch) here is the brief article on that subject by Max Meyer, from the 1899 Psych. Rev. (same volume that contained Bryan and Harter's study of the learning of telegraphy) http://www.aruffo.com/eartraining/research/articles/meyer99.htm Another favorite on this subject remains Lloyd Jeffress' little note: 'Absolute Pitch', JASA, xxxiv (1962), 987. (interesting that he echoes Meyer's suspicion that people with AP do not have any special physiological attributes) Deutsch's recent observations about the Chinese and AP are certainly provocative, and moderately consistent with Meyer-Jeffress, http://www.aip.org/148th/deutsch.html Best to all, Chuck Watson -----Original Message----- From: AUDITORY - Research in Auditory Perception [mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx On Behalf Of AUDITORY automatic digest system Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 12:01 AM To: AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx Subject: AUDITORY Digest - 18 Apr 2008 to 19 Apr 2008 (#2008-84) There are 4 messages totalling 997 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. any examples of acquired absolute pitch? (4) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 00:03:19 -0400 From: Eliot Handelman <eliot@xxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: any examples of acquired absolute pitch? Anthony Knittel wrote: > Hi, i've found some interesting comments on absolute pitch on this > mailing list and was wondering if anyone has heard of any examples of > people who have acquired absolute pitch somehow during their later > lives, ie not in early childhood development. > > There is a clear trend between absolute pitch (AP) and autism, and > many autistic savants with musical talents (which tend to be more in > terms of music reproduction ability than creative composition) that > have been examined also have AP. There are numerous examples of people > who have acquired special abilities such as those exhibited by > autistic savants as a result of injury or other non-developmental > processes. I haven't however heard of any examples of people who have > acquired AP later in life, it would be very useful if anyone knows of > any examples. I'm an example, acquiring AP when I was about 42. I am a composer & this was during a protracted retreat to the garret, which became very emotionally intense. The AP onset was unexpected: one day listening to some music I became aware that every time I heard a "b" I knew exactly what it was. It was not like knowing a pitch by remembering the last time you heard it; it was qualitatively much different, as if direct -- a bit as if the name of the pitch presented itself as the "timbral quality" of that pitch. (I jhad not previously percieved "timbral qualities" in pitch as such prior to this). Over the next few months the effect was intermittent, but then gradually strengthened to include the other pitches. Ten yrs later I still have it. One of my theories about this is I may have had something like AP agnosia, in case such a thing is thinkable (by definition it is not). But it seems more plausible to me that the AP trigger was a combination of prolonged & very intense distress, coupled to equally intense musical dedication. It would not surprise me to learn that we enjoy particular neural plasticity during periods of intense anxiety. Consider the personality changes of people subjected to brainwashing, as eg during the Korean war -- see eg R. J. Lifton's studies. -- eliot ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 01:57:27 -0400 From: Arturo Camacho <acamacho@xxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: any examples of acquired absolute pitch? Anthony, Check http://www.perfectpitch.com. They claim that many people have acquired perfect pitch with their method and cite two studies in which it= s effectiveness has been confirmed: (1) Rush, M. A. An experimental investigation of the effectiveness of training on absolute pitch in adult musicians, The Ohio State University. (2) Nering, Marguerite Elaine. A study to determine the effectiveness of the David Lucas Burge technique for development of Perfect Pitch, The University of Calgary. I tried the method about 15 years ago and got to hear what they described= : a maximum in smoothness at C and a maximum in sharpness at F# (those were not their exact words, but what I remember I perceived). However, I was not as consistent as recommended (I was too busy to practice everyday) an= d after a while my performance actually started to decrease. I gave up at about 1/4 of the course. Arturo > Hi, i've found some interesting comments on absolute pitch on this > mailing list and was wondering if anyone has heard of any examples of > people who have acquired absolute pitch somehow during their later live= s, > ie not in early childhood development. > > There is a clear trend between absolute pitch (AP) and autism, and many > autistic savants with musical talents (which tend to be more in terms o= f > music reproduction ability than creative composition) that have been > examined also have AP. There are numerous examples of people who have > acquired special abilities such as those exhibited by autistic savants = as > a result of injury or other non-developmental processes. I haven't howe= ver > heard of any examples of people who have acquired AP later in life, it > would be very useful if anyone knows of any examples. > > There are suggestions that AP development is an independent process tha= t > is present in autistic and non-autistic people, and that presence of AP= is > pre-requisite for development of special musical abilities for savants. > This model would suggest that cases of later-life AP > development would be unlikely, however if there are any examples of peo= ple > developing AP later in life for example through brain injury, similar t= o > how savant-like special abilities have been shown to be developed > (essentially spontaneously), it would be very useful. > > > > > thanks > > Anthony > > > > > > > a couple of references: > > ** <http://www.brams.umontreal.ca/plab/publications/article/32>Absolute > pitch in autism: a case study, L Mottron, I Peretz, S Belleville, N Rou= leau > - Neurocase, 1999 > > > Musical savants: exceptional skill in the mentally retarded, Miller L K= , > Lawrence Erlbaum, 1989: 266 > > > Absolute pitch in blind musicians, Roy H. Hamilton, Alvaro Pascual-Leon= e > and Gottfried Schlaug, NeuroReport Vol 15 No 5, 9 April 2004 > > > > > -- > Leuconoe, don't ask =97 it's dangerous to know =97 what end the gods wi= ll > give me or you. Don't play with Babylonian fortune-telling either. Bett= er > just deal with whatever comes your way. Whether you'll see several more > winters or whether the last one Jupiter gives you is the one even now > pelting the rocks on the shore with the waves of the Tyrrhenian sea =97= be > smart, drink your wine. Scale back your long hopes to a short period. E= ven > as we speak, envious time is running away from us. Seize the day, trust= ing > little in the future. > > --=20 __________________________________________________ Arturo Camacho, PhD Alumni Computer and Information Science and Engineering University of Florida Web page: www.cise.ufl.edu/~acamacho __________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 23:15:42 -0700 From: Susan Allen <susie@xxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: any examples of acquired absolute pitch? Hi, I find it amazing that you all talk about absolute or perfect pitch =20 in regard to Western tuning systems! Why are Western systems 'perfect' or 'absolute'? These tuning systems are constructed, like the Bible, on thousands of =20= inputs and are not related to any 'one thing' except their own outcome! viz Stuart Isacoff "Temperament" which documents the history of how =20 we arrived at our "perfect" systems!! They are not 'perfect' and they represent nothing except =20 imperialistic notions...how could pitch be perfect in Iran? in =20 Thailand? in Indonesia? in Africa? Susan Allen Susan Allen PhD Associate Dean for Academic Affairs Instructor of Harp & Improvisation The Herb Alpert School of Music at CalArts California Institute of the Arts Valencia, CA 91355 USA phone 661-753-4200 http://music.calarts.edu/~susie On Apr 18, 2008, at 10:57 PM, Arturo Camacho wrote: > Anthony, > > Check http://www.perfectpitch.com. They claim that many people have > acquired perfect pitch with their method and cite two studies in =20 > which its > effectiveness has been confirmed: > > (1) Rush, M. A. An experimental investigation of the effectiveness of > training on absolute pitch in adult musicians, The Ohio State =20 > University. > > (2) Nering, Marguerite Elaine. A study to determine the =20 > effectiveness of > the David Lucas Burge technique for development of Perfect Pitch, The > University of Calgary. > > I tried the method about 15 years ago and got to hear what they =20 > described: > a maximum in smoothness at C and a maximum in sharpness at F# =20 > (those were > not their exact words, but what I remember I perceived). However, I =20= > was > not as consistent as recommended (I was too busy to practice =20 > everyday) and > after a while my performance actually started to decrease. I gave =20 > up at > about 1/4 of the course. > > Arturo > >> Hi, i've found some interesting comments on absolute pitch on this >> mailing list and was wondering if anyone has heard of any examples of >> people who have acquired absolute pitch somehow during their later =20= >> lives, >> ie not in early childhood development. >> >> There is a clear trend between absolute pitch (AP) and autism, and =20= >> many >> autistic savants with musical talents (which tend to be more in =20 >> terms of >> music reproduction ability than creative composition) that have been >> examined also have AP. There are numerous examples of people who have >> acquired special abilities such as those exhibited by autistic =20 >> savants as >> a result of injury or other non-developmental processes. I haven't =20= >> however >> heard of any examples of people who have acquired AP later in =20 >> life, it >> would be very useful if anyone knows of any examples. >> >> There are suggestions that AP development is an independent =20 >> process that >> is present in autistic and non-autistic people, and that presence =20 >> of AP is >> pre-requisite for development of special musical abilities for =20 >> savants. >> This model would suggest that cases of later-life AP >> development would be unlikely, however if there are any examples =20 >> of people >> developing AP later in life for example through brain injury, =20 >> similar to >> how savant-like special abilities have been shown to be developed >> (essentially spontaneously), it would be very useful. >> >> >> >> >> thanks >> >> Anthony >> >> >> >> >> >> >> a couple of references: >> >> ** <http://www.brams.umontreal.ca/plab/publications/article/=20 >> 32>Absolute >> pitch in autism: a case study, L Mottron, I Peretz, S Belleville, =20 >> N Rouleau >> - Neurocase, 1999 >> >> >> Musical savants: exceptional skill in the mentally retarded, =20 >> Miller L K, >> Lawrence Erlbaum, 1989: 266 >> >> >> Absolute pitch in blind musicians, Roy H. Hamilton, Alvaro Pascual-=20= >> Leone >> and Gottfried Schlaug, NeuroReport Vol 15 No 5, 9 April 2004 >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Leuconoe, don't ask =97 it's dangerous to know =97 what end the gods = will >> give me or you. Don't play with Babylonian fortune-telling either. =20= >> Better >> just deal with whatever comes your way. Whether you'll see several =20= >> more >> winters or whether the last one Jupiter gives you is the one even now >> pelting the rocks on the shore with the waves of the Tyrrhenian =20 >> sea =97 be >> smart, drink your wine. Scale back your long hopes to a short =20 >> period. Even >> as we speak, envious time is running away from us. Seize the day, =20 >> trusting >> little in the future. >> >> > > > --=20 > __________________________________________________ > > Arturo Camacho, PhD > Alumni > Computer and Information Science and Engineering > University of Florida > > Web page: www.cise.ufl.edu/~acamacho > __________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 08:34:51 +0100 From: =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?Jos=E9_Ignacio_Alc=E1ntara?= <jia10@xxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: any examples of acquired absolute pitch? --Apple-Mail-3-502541080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Susan, I believe this is exactly why the older term of "perfect pitch" was =20 substituted with the newer term of "absolute pitch", which is not =20 meant to imply that the Western tonal system has any more value than =20 other musical tonal systems, e.g. India. Or at least, that is my =20 understanding. There are of course many individuals with AP who are =20 not raised within the Western tonal system, and indeed, if the =20 evidence is to be believed, the incidence of AP may well be =20 significantly higher in speakers of tone languages, like Mandarin and =20= Korean, perhaps because they associate pitch with verbal labels early =20= on, as Deutsch suggests. Whether or not it is of any "use" to them =20 for non-speech purposes, in the way that it is to performers of =20 Western music, is perhaps the more interesting question? Let's not get too hung up on the terminology. Jose On 19 Apr 2008, at 07:15, Susan Allen wrote: > Hi, > > I find it amazing that you all talk about absolute or perfect pitch =20= > in regard to Western tuning systems! > Why are Western systems 'perfect' or 'absolute'? > These tuning systems are constructed, like the Bible, on thousands =20 > of inputs and are not related to any 'one thing' except their own =20 > outcome! > viz Stuart Isacoff "Temperament" which documents the history of how =20= > we arrived at our "perfect" systems!! > They are not 'perfect' and they represent nothing except =20 > imperialistic notions...how could pitch be perfect in Iran? in =20 > Thailand? in Indonesia? in Africa? > > > Susan Allen > > Susan Allen PhD > Associate Dean for Academic Affairs > Instructor of Harp & Improvisation > The Herb Alpert School of Music at CalArts > California Institute of the Arts > Valencia, CA 91355 USA > > phone 661-753-4200 > > http://music.calarts.edu/~susie > > > On Apr 18, 2008, at 10:57 PM, Arturo Camacho wrote: > >> Anthony, >> >> Check http://www.perfectpitch.com. They claim that many people have >> acquired perfect pitch with their method and cite two studies in =20 >> which its >> effectiveness has been confirmed: >> >> (1) Rush, M. A. An experimental investigation of the effectiveness of >> training on absolute pitch in adult musicians, The Ohio State =20 >> University. >> >> (2) Nering, Marguerite Elaine. A study to determine the =20 >> effectiveness of >> the David Lucas Burge technique for development of Perfect Pitch, The >> University of Calgary. >> >> I tried the method about 15 years ago and got to hear what they =20 >> described: >> a maximum in smoothness at C and a maximum in sharpness at F# =20 >> (those were >> not their exact words, but what I remember I perceived). However, I =20= >> was >> not as consistent as recommended (I was too busy to practice =20 >> everyday) and >> after a while my performance actually started to decrease. I gave =20 >> up at >> about 1/4 of the course. >> >> Arturo >> >>> Hi, i've found some interesting comments on absolute pitch on this >>> mailing list and was wondering if anyone has heard of any examples =20= >>> of >>> people who have acquired absolute pitch somehow during their later =20= >>> lives, >>> ie not in early childhood development. >>> >>> There is a clear trend between absolute pitch (AP) and autism, and =20= >>> many >>> autistic savants with musical talents (which tend to be more in =20 >>> terms of >>> music reproduction ability than creative composition) that have been >>> examined also have AP. There are numerous examples of people who =20 >>> have >>> acquired special abilities such as those exhibited by autistic =20 >>> savants as >>> a result of injury or other non-developmental processes. I haven't =20= >>> however >>> heard of any examples of people who have acquired AP later in =20 >>> life, it >>> would be very useful if anyone knows of any examples. >>> >>> There are suggestions that AP development is an independent =20 >>> process that >>> is present in autistic and non-autistic people, and that presence =20= >>> of AP is >>> pre-requisite for development of special musical abilities for =20 >>> savants. >>> This model would suggest that cases of later-life AP >>> development would be unlikely, however if there are any examples =20 >>> of people >>> developing AP later in life for example through brain injury, =20 >>> similar to >>> how savant-like special abilities have been shown to be developed >>> (essentially spontaneously), it would be very useful. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> thanks >>> >>> Anthony >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> a couple of references: >>> >>> ** <http://www.brams.umontreal.ca/plab/publications/article/=20 >>> 32>Absolute >>> pitch in autism: a case study, L Mottron, I Peretz, S Belleville, =20= >>> N Rouleau >>> - Neurocase, 1999 >>> >>> >>> Musical savants: exceptional skill in the mentally retarded, =20 >>> Miller L K, >>> Lawrence Erlbaum, 1989: 266 >>> >>> >>> Absolute pitch in blind musicians, Roy H. Hamilton, Alvaro Pascual-=20= >>> Leone >>> and Gottfried Schlaug, NeuroReport Vol 15 No 5, 9 April 2004 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Leuconoe, don't ask =97 it's dangerous to know =97 what end the gods = =20 >>> will >>> give me or you. Don't play with Babylonian fortune-telling either. =20= >>> Better >>> just deal with whatever comes your way. Whether you'll see several =20= >>> more >>> winters or whether the last one Jupiter gives you is the one even =20= >>> now >>> pelting the rocks on the shore with the waves of the Tyrrhenian =20 >>> sea =97 be >>> smart, drink your wine. Scale back your long hopes to a short =20 >>> period. Even >>> as we speak, envious time is running away from us. Seize the day, =20= >>> trusting >>> little in the future. >>> >>> >> >> >> --=20 >> __________________________________________________ >> >> Arturo Camacho, PhD >> Alumni >> Computer and Information Science and Engineering >> University of Florida >> >> Web page: www.cise.ufl.edu/~acamacho >> __________________________________________________ _______________________________________ Jos=E9 Ignacio Alc=E1ntara, M.A., Ph.D. University Lecturer Department of Experimental Psychology University of Cambridge Downing Street Cambridge CB2 3EB Fellow and Tutor, Director of Studies in Natural Sciences (Biological) Fitzwilliam College Storey's Way Cambridge CB3 0DG ________________________________________ P Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail --Apple-Mail-3-502541080 Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; = -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hi Susan,<div><br></div><div>I = believe this is exactly why the older term of "perfect pitch" was = substituted with the newer term of "absolute pitch", which is not meant = to imply that the Western tonal system has any more value than other = musical tonal systems, e.g. India. Or at least, that is my = understanding. There are of course many individuals with AP who = are not raised within the Western tonal system, and indeed, if the = evidence is to be believed, the incidence of AP may well be = significantly higher in speakers of tone languages, like Mandarin and = Korean, perhaps because they associate pitch with verbal labels early = on, as Deutsch suggests. Whether or not it is of any "use" to them = for non-speech purposes, in the way that it is to performers of Western = music, is perhaps the more interesting = question?</div><div><br></div><div>Let's not get too hung up on the = terminology.</div><div><br></div><div>Jose</div><div><br></div><div><br><d= iv><div>On 19 Apr 2008, at 07:15, Susan Allen wrote:</div><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite">Hi,<br><br>I= find it amazing that you all talk about absolute or perfect pitch in = regard to Western tuning systems!<br>Why are Western systems 'perfect' = or 'absolute'?<br>These tuning systems are constructed, like the Bible, = on thousands of inputs and are not related to any 'one thing' except = their own outcome!<br>viz Stuart Isacoff "Temperament" which documents = the history of how we arrived at our "perfect" systems!!<br>They are not = 'perfect' and they represent nothing except imperialistic notions...how = could pitch be perfect in Iran? in Thailand? in Indonesia? in = Africa?<br><br><br>Susan Allen<br><br>Susan Allen PhD<br>Associate Dean = for Academic Affairs<br>Instructor of Harp & Improvisation<br>The = Herb Alpert School of Music at CalArts<br>California Institute of the = Arts<br>Valencia, CA 91355 USA<br><br>phone 661-753-4200<br><br><a = href=3D"http://music.calarts.edu/~susie">http://music.calarts.edu/~susie</= a><br><br><br>On Apr 18, 2008, at 10:57 PM, Arturo Camacho = wrote:<br><br><blockquote = type=3D"cite">Anthony,<br></blockquote><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">Check = http://www.perfectpitch.com. They claim that many people = have<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">acquired perfect pitch = with their method and cite two studies in which = its<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">effectiveness has been = confirmed:<br></blockquote><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">(1) Rush, M. A. = An experimental investigation of the effectiveness = of<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">training on absolute pitch = in adult musicians, The Ohio State = University.<br></blockquote><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">(2) Nering, = Marguerite Elaine. A study to determine the effectiveness = of<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">the David Lucas Burge = technique for development of Perfect Pitch, = The<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">University of = Calgary.<br></blockquote><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">I tried the = method about 15 years ago and got to hear what they = described:<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">a maximum in = smoothness at C and a maximum in sharpness at F# (those = were<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">not their exact words, = but what I remember I perceived). However, I = was<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">not as consistent as = recommended (I was too busy to practice everyday) = and<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">after a while my = performance actually started to decrease. I gave up = at<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">about 1/4 of the = course.<br></blockquote><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote = type=3D"cite">Arturo<br></blockquote><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote = type=3D"cite">Hi, i've found some interesting comments on absolute pitch = on this<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote= type=3D"cite">mailing list and was wondering if anyone has heard of any = examples of<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">people who have acquired = absolute pitch somehow during their later = lives,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote = type=3D"cite">ie not in early childhood = development.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">There is a clear trend between = absolute pitch (AP) and autism, and = many<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote = type=3D"cite">autistic savants with musical talents (which tend to be = more in terms of<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">music reproduction ability than = creative composition) that have = been<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote = type=3D"cite">examined also have AP. There are numerous examples of = people who have<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">acquired special abilities such = as those exhibited by autistic savants = as<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote = type=3D"cite">a result of injury or other non-developmental processes. I = haven't however<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">heard of any examples of people = who have acquired AP later in life, = it<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote = type=3D"cite">would be very useful if anyone knows of any = examples.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">There are suggestions that AP = development is an independent process = that<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote = type=3D"cite">is present in autistic and non-autistic people, and that = presence of AP is<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">pre-requisite for development of = special musical abilities for = savants.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">This model would suggest that = cases of later-life AP<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">development would be unlikely, = however if there are any examples of = people<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote = type=3D"cite">developing AP later in life for example through brain = injury, similar to<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">how savant-like special = abilities have been shown to be = developed<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">(essentially spontaneously), it = would be very useful.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><blockquote = type=3D"cite">thanks<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><blockquote = type=3D"cite">Anthony<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">a couple of = references:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">** = <http://www.brams.umontreal.ca/plab/publications/article/32>Absolute<br= ></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote = type=3D"cite">pitch in autism: a case study, L Mottron, I Peretz, S = Belleville, N Rouleau<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">- Neurocase, = 1999<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">Musical savants: exceptional = skill in the mentally retarded, Miller L = K,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote = type=3D"cite">Lawrence Erlbaum, 1989: = 266<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">Absolute pitch in blind = musicians, Roy H. Hamilton, Alvaro = Pascual-Leone<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">and Gottfried Schlaug, = NeuroReport Vol 15 No 5, 9 April = 2004<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><blockquote = type=3D"cite">--<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">Leuconoe, don't ask =97 it's = dangerous to know =97 what end the gods = will<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote = type=3D"cite">give me or you. Don't play with Babylonian fortune-telling = either. Better<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">just deal with whatever comes = your way. Whether you'll see several = more<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote = type=3D"cite">winters or whether the last one Jupiter gives you is the = one even now<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">pelting the rocks on the shore = with the waves of the Tyrrhenian sea =97 = be<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote = type=3D"cite">smart, drink your wine. Scale back your long hopes to a = short period. Even<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">as we speak, envious time is = running away from us. Seize the day, = trusting<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">little in the = future.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote= type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">-- = <br></blockquote><blockquote = type=3D"cite">__________________________________________________<br></bloc= kquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote = type=3D"cite">Arturo Camacho, PhD<br></blockquote><blockquote = type=3D"cite">Alumni<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">Computer = and Information Science and Engineering<br></blockquote><blockquote = type=3D"cite">University of Florida<br></blockquote><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">Web page: = www.cise.ufl.edu/~acamacho<br></blockquote><blockquote = type=3D"cite">__________________________________________________<br></bloc= kquote></blockquote></div><br><div apple-content-edited=3D"true"> <span = class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: separate; 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