Subject: Re: any examples of acquired absolute pitch? From: Pierre Divenyi <pdivenyi@xxxxxxxx> Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 07:52:14 -0700 List-Archive:<http://lists.mcgill.ca/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=AUDITORY>--=====================_556817406==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Try: Paul T. Brady (1970).=20 <http://scitation.aip.org/vsearch/servlet/VerityServlet?KEY=3DJASMAN&smode= =3Dstrresults&sort=3Dchron&maxdisp=3D25&threshold=3D0&pjournals=3Djournals&p= journals=3DJASMAN&possible1=3Dbrady&possible1zone=3Dauthor&bool1=3Dand&possi= ble2=3Dabsolute&possible2zone=3Dmulti&OUTLOG=3DNO&sti=3Dyes&viewabs=3DJASMAN= &key=3DDISPLAY&docID=3D3&page=3D1&chapter=3D0>Teach=20 Yourself Absolute Pitch in 365 Hard Lessons, JASA, 48, 88-ff. Pierre At 02:41 AM 4/18/2008, Anthony Knittel wrote: >Hi, i've found some interesting comments on=20 >absolute pitch on this mailing list and was=20 >wondering if anyone has heard of any examples of=20 >people who have acquired absolute pitch somehow=20 >during their later lives, ie not in early childhood development. > >There is a clear trend between absolute pitch=20 >(AP) and autism, and many autistic savants with=20 >musical talents (which tend to be more in terms=20 >of music reproduction ability than creative=20 >composition) that have been examined also have=20 >AP. There are numerous examples of people who=20 >have acquired special abilities such as those=20 >exhibited by autistic savants as a result of=20 >injury or other non-developmental processes. I=20 >haven't however heard of any examples of people=20 >who have acquired AP later in life, it would be=20 >very useful if anyone knows of any examples. > >There are suggestions that AP development is an=20 >independent process that is present in autistic=20 >and non-autistic people, and that presence of AP=20 >is pre-requisite for development of special=20 >musical abilities for savants. This model would=20 >suggest that cases of later-life AP development=20 >would be unlikely, however if there are any=20 >examples of people developing AP later in life=20 >for example through brain injury, similar to how=20 >savant-like special abilities have been shown to=20 >be developed (essentially spontaneously), it would be very useful. > > > >thanks > >Anthony > > > > > >a couple of references: > >**=20 ><http://www.brams.umontreal.ca/plab/publications/article/32>Absolute=20 >pitch in autism: a case study, L Mottron, I=20 >Peretz, S Belleville, N Rouleau - Neurocase, 1999 > >Musical savants: exceptional skill in the=20 >mentally retarded, Miller L K, Lawrence Erlbaum, 1989: 266 > >Absolute pitch in blind musicians, Roy H.=20 >Hamilton, Alvaro Pascual-Leone and Gottfried=20 >Schlaug, NeuroReport Vol 15 No 5, 9 April 2004 > > > > >-- >Leuconoe, don't ask =97 it's dangerous to know =97=20 >what end the gods will give me or you. Don't=20 >play with Babylonian fortune-telling either.=20 >Better just deal with whatever comes your way.=20 >Whether you'll see several more winters or=20 >whether the last one Jupiter gives you is the=20 >one even now pelting the rocks on the shore with=20 >the waves of the Tyrrhenian sea =97 be smart,=20 >drink your wine. Scale back your long hopes to a=20 >short period. Even as we speak, envious time is=20 >running away from us. Seize the day, trusting little in the future. --=====================_556817406==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html> <body> Try:<br> Paul T. Brady (1970). <a href=3D"http://scitation.aip.org/vsearch/servlet/VerityServlet?KEY=3DJASM= AN&smode=3Dstrresults&sort=3Dchron&maxdisp=3D25&threshold=3D= 0&pjournals=3Djournals&pjournals=3DJASMAN&possible1=3Dbrady&= possible1zone=3Dauthor&bool1=3Dand&possible2=3Dabsolute&possible= 2zone=3Dmulti&OUTLOG=3DNO&sti=3Dyes&viewabs=3DJASMAN&key=3DD= ISPLAY&docID=3D3&page=3D1&chapter=3D0"> <b>Teach Yourself Absolute Pitch in 365 Hard Lessons</a>, </b>JASA, 48, 88-ff.<br><br> Pierre<br><br> At 02:41 AM 4/18/2008, Anthony Knittel wrote:<br> <blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite=3D"">Hi, i've found some interesti= ng comments on absolute pitch on this mailing list and was wondering if anyone has heard of any examples of people who have acquired absolute pitch somehow during their later lives, ie not in early childhood development.<br><br> There is a clear trend between absolute pitch (AP) and autism, and many autistic savants with musical talents (which tend to be more in terms of music reproduction ability than creative composition) that have been examined also have AP. There are numerous examples of people who have acquired special abilities such as those exhibited by autistic savants as a result of injury or other non-developmental processes. I haven't however heard of any examples of people who have acquired AP later in life, it would be very useful if anyone knows of any examples.<br><br> There are suggestions that AP development is an independent process that is present in autistic and non-autistic people, and that presence of AP is pre-requisite for development of special musical abilities for savants. This model would suggest that cases of later-life AP development would be unlikely, however if there are any examples of people developing AP later in life for example through brain injury, similar to how savant-like special abilities have been shown to be developed (essentially spontaneously), it would be very useful.<br><br> <br><br> thanks<br><br> Anthony<br><br> <br><br> <br><br> a couple of references:<br><br> ** <<a= href=3D"http://www.brams.umontreal.ca/plab/publications/article/32>Absol= ute" eudora=3D"autourl"> http://www.brams.umontreal.ca/plab/publications/article/32>Absolute</a> pitch in autism: a case study, L Mottron, I Peretz, S Belleville, N Rouleau - Neurocase, 1999<br><br> Musical savants: exceptional skill in the mentally retarded, Miller L K, Lawrence Erlbaum, 1989: 266<br><br> Absolute pitch in blind musicians, Roy H. Hamilton, Alvaro Pascual-Leone and Gottfried Schlaug, NeuroReport Vol 15 No 5, 9 April 2004<br><br> <br><br> <br> -- <br> Leuconoe, don't ask =97 it's dangerous to know =97 what end the gods will give me or you. Don't play with Babylonian fortune-telling either. Better just deal with whatever comes your way. Whether you'll see several more winters or whether the last one Jupiter gives you is the one even now pelting the rocks on the shore with the waves of the Tyrrhenian sea =97 be smart, drink your wine. Scale back your long hopes to a short period. Even as we speak, envious time is running away from us. Seize the day, trusting little in the future.<br> </blockquote></body> </html> --=====================_556817406==.ALT--