Subject: Re: AW: Cochlea Amplifier models : a new list From: Pierre Divenyi <pdivenyi@xxxxxxxx> Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 00:15:40 +0000 List-Archive:<http://lists.mcgill.ca/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=AUDITORY>----=_vm_0011_W8316617269_6217_1193184940 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am among those who strongly agree with Dan -- these remarks are for 3rd= -rate blogs, not the Auditory List (=3Dfriends amd colleagues seldom with= nobility of title, only of mind an spirit). Hpwever, as a born Hungarian, I can't let Eackard's assertions go without= a reply/ Von Neumann, indeed, came from a Jewish family of considerable = fortune and of considerable "European culture" -- as most well-to-do Hung= arians at the turn of the century thought of themselves and were thought = of by others in Central Europe. The Habsburg monarcvhy did reward many su= ch families, whether Hungarian, Czech, or Austrian by birthplace and firs= t language (yes! Yiddish was seldom the language in those families who wa= nted to "blend in") by gibing them a tilte. Yet, to say that they bought = the title would be wrong: they were never charged for it, directly. It wa= s more like a reward for contributing large amounts of money, work, and s= ocial-political effort to the betterment of economic, cultural, and socia= l life in the Monarchy -- especially in the "minority regions" like Hunga= ry, Slovakia, Galicia, Froatia, etc. So, these families became noble beca= use they behaved like nobles: they were true and committed citizens of th= eir monarchy, their region, and their towns. A historical footnote: nobil= ity titles were de facto sold by monarchs all over Europe from the Middle= Ages on, the only difference being that those new-nobles were not of Jew= ish origin. Eckard: do your research better. B=E9k=E9sy Gy=F6rgy who translated his n= ame into German when he was a student in German speakeing countries to Ge= org von Bekesy, came from very old Hungarian nobility. However, I would s= eriously doubt that he, the real;y-noble noble man as he was, would have = made any distinction between his and von Neumann's "von". For the information of all of you: I don't enjoy, even hate, lecturing th= is way on the list. Pierre PS: Eckard, if you are interested, I can tell you how I acquired my name.= But not on the list. Rather, call me and I will tell you live voice -- i= t would take less of my time. >-----Original Message----- >From: Daniel J. Tollin [mailto:Daniel.Tollin@xxxxxxxx >Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 08:42 AM >To: AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx >Subject: Re: AW: Cochlea Amplifier models : a new list > >Hi, > I think it is obviously clear that Eckard's correspondences are process= ed through some sort of software language translator. I suspect that Ecka= rd's whacky comments are likely errors in translation (at least I hope so= ). I don't know how else to explain his last two gems. > >Dan Tollin > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: AUDITORY - Research in Auditory Perception [mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx= MCGILL.CA] On Behalf Of Richard F. Lyon >Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 1:22 PM >To: AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx >Subject: Re: AW: Cochlea Amplifier models : a new list > >At 9:13 PM +0200 10/22/07, Toth Laszlo wrote: >>On Mon, 22 Oct 2007, Eckard Blumschein wrote: >> >>> I know for sure that von Neumann's nobility was simply a bought title= . >>> I suspect his compatriot von B=E9k=E9sy a nobleman of the same sort. >> >>Am I the only one who thinks that such comments are not proper in a >>scientific discussion list? > >I felt that that comment fit rather well among >other Eckard Blumschein comments. > >Dick > ----=_vm_0011_W8316617269_6217_1193184940 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html><p>I am among those who strongly agree with Dan -- these remarks ar= e for 3rd-rate blogs, not the Auditory List (=3Dfriends amd colleagues se= ldom with nobility of title, only of mind an spirit).</p><p>Hpwever, as a= born Hungarian, I can't let Eackard's assertions go without a reply/ Von= Neumann, indeed, came from a Jewish family of considerable fortune and o= f considerable "European culture" -- as most well-to-do Hungarians = at the turn of the century thought of themselves and were thought of by o= thers in Central Europe. The Habsburg monarcvhy did reward many such fami= lies, whether Hungarian, Czech, or Austrian by birthplace and first langu= age (yes! Yiddish was seldom the language in those families who wanted to= "blend in") by gibing them a tilte. Yet, to say that they <u>bought</u> = the title would be wrong: they were never charged for it, directly. It wa= s more like a reward for contributing large amounts of money, work, and s= ocial-political effort to the betterment of economic, cultural, and socia= l life in the Monarchy -- especially in the "minority regions" like Hunga= ry, Slovakia, Galicia, Froatia, etc. So, these families became noble beca= use they behaved like nobles: they were true and committed citizens of th= eir monarchy, their region, and their towns. A historical footnote: nobil= ity titles were de facto sold by monarchs all over Europe from the Middle= Ages on, the only difference being that those new-nobles were not of Jew= ish origin.</p> <p>Eckard: do your research better. B=E9k=E9sy Gy=F6rgy who translated hi= s name into German when he was a student in German speakeing countries to= Georg von Bekesy, came from very old Hungarian nobility. However, I woul= d seriously doubt that he, the real;y-noble noble man as he was, would ha= ve made any distinction between his and von Neumann's "von". </p><p>= For the information of all of you: I don't enjoy, even hate, lecturing th= is way on the list.</p><p>Pierre</p><p>PS: Eckard, if you are interested,= I can tell you how I acquired my name. But not on the list. Rather, call= me and I will tell you live voice -- it would take less of my time.</p><= p> </p><p> >-----Original Message-----<br> >From: Daniel J. Tollin [mailto:Daniel.Tollin@xxxxxxxx<br> >Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 08:42 AM<br> >To: AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx<br> >Subject: Re: AW: Cochlea Amplifier models : a new list<br> ><br> >Hi,<br> > I think it is obviously clear that Eckard's correspondences are pro= cessed through some sort of software language translator. I suspect that= Eckard's whacky comments are likely errors in translation (at least I ho= pe so). I don't know how else to explain his last two gems.<br> ><br> >Dan Tollin<br> ><br> ><br> ><br> >-----Original Message-----<br> >From: AUDITORY - Research in Auditory Perception [mailto:AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx= TS.MCGILL.CA] On Behalf Of Richard F. Lyon<br> >Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 1:22 PM<br> >To: AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx<br> >Subject: Re: AW: Cochlea Amplifier models : a new list<br> ><br> >At 9:13 PM +0200 10/22/07, Toth Laszlo wrote:<br> >>On Mon, 22 Oct 2007, Eckard Blumschein wrote:<br> >><br> >>> I know for sure that von Neumann's nobility was simply a bo= ught title.<br> >>> I suspect his compatriot von B=E9k=E9sy a nobleman of the s= ame sort.<br> >><br> >>Am I the only one who thinks that such comments are not proper in= a<br> >>scientific discussion list?<br> ><br> >I felt that that comment fit rather well among <br> >other Eckard Blumschein comments.<br> ><br> >Dick<br> ></p></html> ----=_vm_0011_W8316617269_6217_1193184940--