Subject: Re: cross-modality-size-loud From: Bob Carlyon <bob.carlyon@xxxxxxxx> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 11:32:18 +0100 List-Archive:<http://lists.mcgill.ca/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=AUDITORY><!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta content=3D"text/html;charset=3DUTF-8" http-equiv=3D"Content-Type"= > </head> <body bgcolor=3D"#ffffff" text=3D"#000000"> Hmm.., I think this depends on whether you are talking about the source or the filter; if a large person hits a bell then it generally makes more sound than if a small person does.=C2=A0 When it comes to organisms, size and loudness co-vary: elephants are louder than mice, and adults are louder than their young. There are of course exceptions, as anyone who has ever taken children to a restaurant will testify...<br> <br> bob<br> <br> <br> Jan Schnupp wrote: <blockquote cite=3D"mid9c1a4ffb0709170156o20d3e7b4r731fff3dc3601214@xxxxxxxx" type=3D"cite">Dear Peter,<br> <br> if you hit a large bell and a small bell, how loud they are does not depend on size, but on how hard you hit them. The larger the object the deeper the sound, because resonant frequency is proportional to mass. So if there is a link with size, then it should be pitch more than loudness. <br> <br> Jan<br> <br> <div><span class=3D"gmail_quote">On 17/09/2007, <b class=3D"gmail_sendername">pieter jan stallen</b> <<a href=3D"mailto:pj.stallen@xxxxxxxx">pj.stallen@xxxxxxxx</a>> wrote:= </span> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt = 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div bgcolor=3D"#ffffff"> <div> <p style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Dear List,</sp= an></p> <p style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Does anyone kn= ow of<span>=C2=A0 </span>experimental psychological data reported which refutes (or not) the<span>=C2=A0</span>hypothesis: the perception of obje= ct O as "has <i>much</i> of quality X" predisposes to the perception also of "has <i>much</i> of quality Y"? E.g., is there empirical evidence for cross-modal bonds like "large objects (much of size) are loud objects (much of sound)" ? </span></p> <p style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Although I see brain research approaching the subject (e.g. <span>=C2=A0</span><a href=3D"http://www.dhushara.com/pdf/synesthesia.pdf" target=3D"_blank" onclick=3D"return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"><span><font color=3D"#800080">http://www.dhushara.com/pdf/synesthesia.pdf </font></s= pan></a>) I have not (yet) found so much empirical psychology about such metaphors. I may not have studied carefully enough the synaestesia literature, but appreciate any more specific 'forwardings' then.</span></p> <p style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Pieter Jan Stallen</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"> / Chair Community Noise Annoyance / University of Leiden / Netherlands</span></p> </div> </div> </blockquote> </div> <br> <br clear=3D"all"> <br> -- <br> Dr Jan Schnupp<br> University of Oxford<br> Dept. of Physiology, Anatomy and Genetics<br> Sherrington Building - Parks Road<br> Oxford OX1 3PT - UK<br> +44-1865-272513<br> <a href=3D"http://www.oxfordhearing.com">www.oxfordhearing.com</a> </blockquote> <br> <br> <pre class=3D"moz-signature" cols=3D"72">--=20 Dr. Bob Carlyon MRC Cognition & Brain Sciences Unit 15 Chaucer Rd. Cambridge CB2 7EF England Phone: +44 1223 355294 ext 651 Fax: +44 1223 359062 <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href=3D"http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.u= k">www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk</a></pre> </body> </html>