Subject: Re: sensory consonance /dissonance' musical consonance / dissonance (the listing) From: PORRES <mentalosmosis@xxxxxxxx> Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 20:25:13 -0700 List-Archive:<http://lists.mcgill.ca/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=AUDITORY>--0-1614567779-1188098713=:59465 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by drizzle.cc.mcgill.ca id l7Q3PMEY003579 > Where is this listing? > Have these composers ever been counted? > Has there ever been an empirical survey on this issue at all? you just claimed yourself of being not a composer at all it is easilly in= the thousands even in far away centers like the one I come from in Brasi= l... every composer in Brasil studies Schoenbeg, he is obrigatory part of= the lessons... everybody has his books... they are on the libraries... f= or Christ Sake, which world do you live in? Demand a survey for the obvio= us? I am speechless Martin Braun <nombraun@xxxxxxxx> wrote: Scott Spiegelberg wrote: > One observable > fact is that both Webern and Schoenberg are still taught today (both > their compositions and their theories and aesthetics) in music > schools around the world, thus their impact on music making is > decidedly not close to zero. Sorry, this conclusion does not follow from the observation at all. In so= me=20 European countries grammar school students must take lessons in Latin for= =20 many years. Yet the application of this language by students in real life= is=20 evidently close to zero. Further, in some countries students were forced,= =20 due to political reasons, to take lessons in languages that were extremel= y=20 unpopular. The results of these lessons were also often approaching zero. > Another observable fact is how many > composers state being influenced positively or negatively by the > Second Viennese School or by serialism in general (the number of > living composers who claim this is easily in the thousands). Where is this listing? Have these composers ever been counted? Has there ever been an empirical survey on this issue at all? Martin --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Braun Neuroscience of Music S-671 95 Kl=E4ssbol Sweden web site: http://w1.570.telia.com/~u57011259/index.htm=20 =20 --------------------------------- Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user pa= nel and lay it on us. --0-1614567779-1188098713=:59465 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by drizzle.cc.mcgill.ca id l7Q3PMEY003579 > Where is this listing?<br>> Have these composers ever been counte= d?<br>> Has there ever been an empirical survey on this issue at all?<= br><br>you just claimed yourself of being not a composer at all it is eas= illy in the thousands even in far away centers like the one I come from i= n Brasil... every composer in Brasil studies Schoenbeg, he is obrigatory = part of the lessons... everybody has his books... they are on the librari= es... for Christ Sake, which world do you live in? Demand a survey for th= e obvious? I am speechless<br><br><br><b><i>Martin Braun <nombraun@xxxxxxxx= IA.COM></i></b> wrote:<blockquote class=3D"replbq" style=3D"border-lef= t: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> Sco= tt Spiegelberg wrote:<br><br>> One observable<br>> fact is that bot= h Webern and Schoenberg are still taught today (both<br>> their compos= itions and their theories and aesthetics) in music<br>> schools around= the world, thus their impact on music making is<br>> decidedly not close to zero.<br><br>Sorry, this conclu= sion does not follow from the observation at all. In some <br>European co= untries grammar school students must take lessons in Latin for <br>many y= ears. Yet the application of this language by students in real life is <b= r>evidently close to zero. Further, in some countries students were force= d, <br>due to political reasons, to take lessons in languages that were e= xtremely <br>unpopular. The results of these lessons were also often appr= oaching zero.<br><br><br>> Another observable fact is how many<br>>= composers state being influenced positively or negatively by the<br>>= Second Viennese School or by serialism in general (the number of<br>>= living composers who claim this is easily in the thousands).<br><br>Wher= e is this listing?<br>Have these composers ever been counted?<br>Has ther= e ever been an empirical survey on this issue at all?<br><br>Martin<br><b= r> ---------------------------------------------------------------------<br= >Martin Braun<br>Neuroscience of Music<br>S-671 95 Kl=E4=E4ssbol<br>Swede= n<br>web site: http://w1.570.telia.com/~u57011259/index.htm <br></blockqu= ote><br><p>  <hr size=3D1>Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. <a= href=3D"http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=3D48516/*http://surveylink.yahoo.com/= gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=3D7 ">Join Yahoo!'s user panel</a> and lay = it on us. --0-1614567779-1188098713=:59465--