Subject: Re: sensory consonance /dissonance' musical consonance / dissonance From: Scott Spiegelberg <spiegelberg@xxxxxxxx> Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 15:42:51 -0400 List-Archive:<http://lists.mcgill.ca/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=AUDITORY>--Apple-Mail-6-939457556 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed I had to respond to this one claim: On Aug 19, 2007, at 11:09 AM, Martin Braun wrote: > Kevin Austin wrote: > >> Webern and Schoenberg (et al) forever changed consonance / >> dissonance. > > Their views were ideosyncratic, and their impact on music making > has been close to zero. As Martin says, there are facts that can be observed. One observable fact is that both Webern and Schoenberg are still taught today (both their compositions and their theories and aesthetics) in music schools around the world, thus their impact on music making is decidedly not close to zero. Another observable fact is how many composers state being influenced positively or negatively by the Second Viennese School or by serialism in general (the number of living composers who claim this is easily in the thousands). So Martin's claim here is provably false. -- Scott Spiegelberg, PhD Assistant Professor of Music DePauw University School of Music 1078 Green Center for Performing Arts spiegelberg@xxxxxxxx http://musicalperceptions.blogspot.com --Apple-Mail-6-939457556 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 <HTML><BODY style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; = -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; ">I had to respond to this one = claim:<BR><DIV> <SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse:= separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: = Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; = font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; = text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: = 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; = white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><SPAN = class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: separate; = border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; = font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: = normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; = -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; = -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; = white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><SPAN = class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: separate; = border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; = font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: = normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; = -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; = -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; = white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><SPAN = class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: separate; = border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; = font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: = normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; = -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; = -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; = white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; = "></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On Aug 19, 2007, at = 11:09 AM, Martin Braun wrote:</DIV><BR = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">Kevin Austin wrote:</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; = min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE = type=3D"cite"></BLOCKQUOTE><BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">Webern and Schoenberg (et al) forever changed = consonance / dissonance.</DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; = min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Their views = were ideosyncratic, and their impact on music making has been close to = zero.</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR = class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV>As Martin says, there are facts = that can be observed.=A0 One observable fact is that both Webern and = Schoenberg are still taught today (both their compositions and their = theories and aesthetics) in music schools around the world, thus their = impact on music making is decidedly not close to zero.=A0 Another = observable fact is how many composers state being influenced positively = or negatively by the Second Viennese School or by serialism in general = (the number of living composers who claim this is easily in the = thousands).=A0 So Martin's claim here is provably false.</DIV><DIV><BR = class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"><BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"> = </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><DIV>--=A0</DIV><DIV>Scott Spiegelberg, = PhD</DIV><DIV>Assistant Professor of Music</DIV><DIV>DePauw University = School of Music</DIV><DIV>1078 Green Center for Performing = Arts</DIV><DIV><A = href=3D"mailto:spiegelberg@xxxxxxxx">spiegelberg@xxxxxxxx</A></DIV><DI= V><A = href=3D"http://musicalperceptions.blogspot.com">http://musicalperceptions.= blogspot.com</A></DIV><DIV><BR = class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV></BODY></HTML>= --Apple-Mail-6-939457556--