Subject: Re: Implicit human echolocation From: Peter Lennox <P.Lennox@xxxxxxxx> Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 08:48:14 +0100 List-Archive:<http://lists.mcgill.ca/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=AUDITORY>yes, the blindfold would substantially alter the HRTF. As a sighted person, I still hate wearing any clothing with a hood (even if it isn't noisy), or even a high collar (e.g sheepskin jacket with collar up). I've even wondered wether wearing glasses interferes - it seems so to me, though that may simply be because I'm not a regular glasses wearer - I don't quite know if this is actually a psychoacoustic effect. Of course, most of these effects would be on high frequencies. regards ppl Dr. Peter Lennox S.P.A.R.G. Signal Processing Applications Research Group University of Derby http://sparg.derby.ac.uk Int. tel: 3155 >>> Thomas G Brennan <g_brennantg@xxxxxxxx> 06/01/07 5:08 AM >>> Facial vision is a term which is no longer used as the face has nothing, in itself, to do with echo location. However, as a long time user of echo location for everything from bike riding to skydiving I can tell you that covering the face as with a blindfold does effect echo location (especially passive location) because it changes the texture and echo characteristics of the face. A similar situation is seen in either enucleation or eviseration particularly when both eyes are involved. So far as I know, the type of implant used makes no difference as is the case with the type of prosthetic since materials such as glass, granet, etc. are no longer used. Tom Tom Brennan KD5VIJ, CCC-A/SLP web page http://titan.sfasu.edu/~g_brennantg/sonicpage.html On Thu, 31 May 2007, Harry Erwin wrote: > Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 08:50:37 +0100 > From: Harry Erwin <harry.erwin@xxxxxxxx> > To: AUDITORY@xxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: Implicit human echolocation > > The phenomenon is known as facial vision. Dr. Lawrence Scadden could > do it well enough to ride a bicycle in traffic despite his total > blindness. He was a participant in at least one published study. > > Most people who use it use passive echolocation as schools for the > blind discouraged their students in the past from making echolocation > sounds. Humans can also use active echolocation, but not with the > range accuracy of bats. I've used passive echolocation. Sighted > humans are about as accurate as bats in azimuth and elevation. > > It's effortful. Once you've memorised your environment, you prefer to > operate by dead reckoning, which means you don't notice changes > unless they're obvious. This phenomenon is also seen in bats and > rodents, and Don Griffin discussed it in Listening in the Dark. > > -- > Harry Erwin, PhD, Senior Lecturer of Computing, University of > Sunderland. Computational neuroethologist: > http://scat-he-g4.sunderland.ac.uk/~harryerw/phpwiki/index.php/ > AuditoryResearch > ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________