Subject: Pitch learning From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ole_K=FChl?= <kyhl@xxxxxxxx> Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 11:20:31 +0100 List-Archive:<http://lists.mcgill.ca/scripts/wa.exe?LIST=AUDITORY>This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C74AA9.FA8E0B90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Martin Braun wrote: "It's timbre learning. Automatic association of timbre and chroma, the = latter being derived from the summation of octave-spaced partials, results in a secure "secondary" pitch perception. An analogy is chord identification. Highly trained musicians can = identify chord categories from the timbre of a chord." I find this idea very interesting, and believe it to be true as I have = long suspected it to be the case that chord learning is actually timbre = learning. If there is any empirical evidence for this I would be most = grateful for the particulars. Incidentally, this seems to be not only a higher order function, but = also an example of what in the lingo of cognitive semantics would be = called conceptual integration or "blending". We could say that we = conceptualize a pitch through the integration of information from two = different domains: a perceived timbre domain and a learned schema for = partials. Best=20 Ole Ole K=FChl kyhl@xxxxxxxx www.cogmus.com ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C74AA9.FA8E0B90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.5730.11" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Martin Braun wrote:</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV> <DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">"It's timbre learning. Automatic association = of timbre=20 and chroma, the latter</DIV> <DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">being derived from the summation of = octave-spaced=20 partials, results in a</DIV> <DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">secure "secondary" pitch perception.</DIV> <DIV style=3D"MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><FONT = size=3D2></FONT><BR></DIV> <DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">An analogy is chord identification. Highly = trained=20 musicians can identify</DIV> <DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">chord categories from the timbre of a = chord."</DIV> <DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px"><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px"><FONT size=3D2>I find this idea very = interesting, and=20 believe it to be true as I have long suspected it to be the = case that chord=20 learning is actually timbre learning. If there is any empirical evidence = for=20 this I would be most grateful for the = particulars.</FONT></DIV> <DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px"><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px"><FONT size=3D2>Incidentally, this seems to be = not only a=20 higher order function, but also an example of what in the lingo of=20 cognitive semantics would be called conceptual integration or = "blending".=20 We could say that we conceptualize a pitch through the integration of=20 information from two different domains: a perceived timbre domain and a = learned=20 schema for partials.</FONT></DIV> <DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px"><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px"><FONT size=3D2>Best </FONT></DIV> <DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px"><FONT size=3D2>Ole</FONT></DIV> <DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px"><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px"><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px"><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Ole K=FChl<BR><A=20 href=3D"mailto:kyhl@xxxxxxxx">kyhl@xxxxxxxx</A><BR><A=20 href=3D"http://www.cogmus.com">www.cogmus.com</A></FONT></DIV></BODY></HT= ML> ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C74AA9.FA8E0B90--