Subject: Re: Rhythm perception From: Leon van Noorden <leonvannoorden(at)CHELLO.BE> Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:56:36 +0100Henkjan, I would say that finding the downbeat comes after beat induction. First you discover the beat than the number of beats per bar and than the most salient beat in the bar, which should be the down-beat (which other beat could it be?). Of course what makes that beat salient can depend on a number of perceptual and perhaps cultural factors. (looking at the score, if it exists, could be such a factor). I hope this discussion can bring some light on the definitions that we use. Leon -----Message d'origine----- De : AUDITORY Research in Auditory Perception [mailto:AUDITORY(at)LISTS.MCGILL.CA] De la part de Henkjan Honing Envoyé : dinsdag 15 november 2005 14:22 À : AUDITORY(at)LISTS.MCGILL.CA Objet : Re: Rhythm perception I guess the problem you refer to is "beat induction": how do listeners arrive at a metrical interpretion when listening to a rhythm. H.C. Longuet-Higgins was one of the first to address the problem in a computational way (see H.C. Longuet-Higgings, Mental Proceses. Studies in cognitive sciences, MIT press, 1987). The literature since then is vast, approaching the problem with a wide variety of computational paradigms (see, e.g., * for an overview, or the papers in the "foot-tapping" session at ICMC 1992; **). Henkjan Honing * http://www.hum.uva.nl/mmm/abstracts/dh-100.html ** http://www.hum.uva.nl/mmm/mmm-2003/fun/beat.html On 15 Nov 2005, at 13:40, John ffitch wrote: > We were discussing rhythm patterns the other day and the question came > up about how one determined the start of a pattern. If there is a > heavy emphasis on one beat of the sequence then I can understand that > that is taken as the first beat. > But if the sequence is unemphasised how does one decide? Or do > people decide differently, or is it cultural? > > I am not sure where to start to look -- as ever this is outside my > general field of study -- but I though this list might be the place > to ask for clues. > > I hope I have explained the question sufficiently! > > ==John ffitch ************************************ Henkjan Honing E honing(at)uva.nl I http://www.hum.uva.nl/mmm/hh/ Music Cognition Group I http://www.hum.uva.nl/mmm/ F feed://www.hum.uva.nl/mmm/news.rss ************************************