Res: vowel Q (Daniel Silva )


Subject: Res: vowel Q
From:    Daniel Silva  <silvadmr(at)BOL.COM.BR>
Date:    Wed, 27 Jul 2005 00:51:54 -0300

--------------Boundary-00=_IEP9QL80000000000000 Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_JEP9LVC0000000000000" --------------Boundary-00=_JEP9LVC0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi=0D Thank you very much for the response.=0D =0D I am using Praat both for synthesis and analysis (I'd like to use Klatt f= or synthesis but we don't have it here). The pich is 115 Hz. The algorithm u= sed for linear prediction coefficients is the Burg algorithm. The remaining formant values are 1160; 2500; 3500; 4500...up to F10. The bandwidths are= 50 (F1) ,100 (F2), 150, 200, 300, 400, 500, 600, 700, 800 (is it OK?).=0D =0D I have maked two vowel continua: the first one is a F1 continuum from 300= Hz to 700Hz (step size =3D 10 Hz) simply as synthesised by Praat. The second= one is the first one adjusted according to the analysis results (I have modif= ied each sound, one by one, using the command "modify: formula").=0D =0D So the analysis is the main source of the discrepancy ?=0D Shold I then use the first continuum assuming that the synthesis gives me the "right " F1 values?=0D =0D -------Mensagem original-------=0D =0D De: Martin Cooke=0D Data: 07/25/05 06:11:37=0D Para: silvadmr(at)BOL.COM.BR=0D Assunto: vowel Q=0D =0D Hi=0D =0D Re your synthesis question: how are you measuring the F1 of the=0D synthesised vowel? It may be that it is difficult to measure accurately=0D (either manually or by some automated approach such as LPC) in the F1=0D region due to the fact that F1 does not necessarily correspond to a=0D spectral peak (rather, spectral peaks in that region will be harmonics=0D of F0). To give a fuller answer, I'd need to know details of the=0D synthesis/analysis approach.=0D =0D Martin --------------Boundary-00=_JEP9LVC0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-= 1"> <META content=3D"IncrediMail 1.0" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY style=3D"BACKGROUND-POSITION: 0px 0px; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 5px= 10px 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial" bgColor=3D#ffffff background=3D"" scroll=3D= yes ORGYPOS=3D"0"> <TABLE id=3DINCREDIMAINTABLE cellSpacing=3D0 cellPadding=3D2 width=3D"100= %" border=3D0> <TBODY> <TR> <TD id=3DINCREDITEXTREGION style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; CURSOR: auto; FONT-F= AMILY: Arial" width=3D"100%"> <DIV>Hi</DIV> <DIV>Thank you very much for the response.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>I am using Praat both for synthesis and analysis (I'd like to use Kl= att for synthesis but we don't have it here). The pich is 115 Hz.&nbsp;Th= e algorithm&nbsp;used for linear prediction coefficients&nbsp;is the Burg= algorithm. The remaining formant values are 1160; 2500; 3500; 4500...up = to F10. The bandwidths are 50 (F1)&nbsp;,100 (F2), 150, 200, 300, 400, 50= 0, 600, 700, 800 (is it OK?).</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>I have maked two vowel continua: the first one&nbsp;is a F1 continuu= m from 300 Hz to 700Hz (step size =3D 10 Hz) simply as synthesised by Pra= at. The second one is the first one adjusted according to the analysis re= sults (I have modified each sound, one by one, using the command "modify:= formula").</DIV> <DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>So the analysis is the main source of the&nbsp;discrepancy ?</DIV> <DIV>Shold I then use the first&nbsp;continuum assuming that the synthesi= s gives me the "right " F1 values?</DIV></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV id=3DIncrediOriginalMessage><I>-------Mensagem original-------</I></= DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV id=3Dreceivestrings> <DIV dir=3Dltr style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><I><B>De:</B></I> <A href=3D"mai= lto:m.cooke(at)dcs.shef.ac.uk">Martin Cooke</A></DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><I><B>Data:</B></I> 07/25/05 06:= 11:37</DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><I><B>Para:</B></I> <A href=3D"m= ailto:silvadmr(at)BOL.COM.BR">silvadmr(at)BOL.COM.BR</A></DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><I><B>Assunto:</B></I> vowel Q</= DIV></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Hi</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Re your synthesis question: how are you measuring the F1 of the</DIV= > <DIV>synthesised vowel? It may be that it is difficult to measure accurat= ely</DIV> <DIV>(either manually or by some automated approach such as LPC) in the F= 1</DIV> <DIV>region due to the fact that F1 does not necessarily correspond to a<= /DIV> <DIV>spectral peak (rather, spectral peaks in that region will be harmoni= cs</DIV> <DIV>of F0). 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