Subject: Sources & terms From: Kevin Austin <kevin.austin(at)VIDEOTRON.CA> Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 04:56:11 -0400Interestingly the terms so far used have included: separate sound sources hear perceive listen (to) differentiate (to) separate identify segregate isolate stream integrate (consolidated stream) strategic processing consort stream compound stream complex stream David continued: >I know you want to explore the extreme boundaries of the system, but >the problem is that the strategic processing considerations will get >in the way of any experimental design. And for a little light reading on how a geneticist and a biochemist might approach the same problem, try: http://artsandscience.concordia.ca/biol364/The_Demise_of_Bill_txt.html There are several issues which have been raised, but I will start with breaking out the first one, separate sound sources) into 3 sub-groups. (1) An orchestral recording played through one loudspeaker. There is one "sound" source, but the signal is complex. This is possibly the most difficult to deal with. (2) An orchestral recording in stereo (X/Y mic technique). There are two sound sources and the "ear" (?) / "mind" (?) is assisted in decoding by (apparent) spatialization of (apparent) sources. Complex. (3) An orchestral recording recorded onto a 60 channel medium and played back through 60 loudspeakers. At the 'individual level', the least complex in some ways. Much work has been done (and much thought has gone into) #1 and #2. I have felt for many years that #3 holds much promise in understanding basic aspects of the processes of integration / segregation and streaming and this is where one of my current areas of informal / artistic work is at the moment. A simpler example of the difficulty here is to try to answer this (non)question. Is a pipe organ an instrument, and when does it become such? Standing in front of a wide pipe organ listening to a piece of music becomes a spatial experience as the individual pipes can be heard in their different locations. This concept is currently extended for example with electronic violins where each string is fed to a different loudspeaker in different corners of the room. The ASA concept of 'integration' takes on a new meaning. Best Kevin Heard SONUS? sonus.ca