Subject: Fw: Re: AUDITORY Digest - 23 Jun 2003 to 25 Jun 2003 (#2003-120) From: "C.M. Rankovic" <rankovic(at)ARTICULATION.COM> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 10:24:21 -0400----- Original Message ----- From: "C.M. Rankovic" <rankovic(at)articulation.com> To: "Chas Pavlovic" <cpavlovic(at)yahoo.com> Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 10:16 AM Subject: Re: Re: AUDITORY Digest - 23 Jun 2003 to 25 Jun 2003 (#2003-120) > Chas: > > You need to actually conduct an SII verus Fletcher and Galt comparison to > provide support for your assertion that the SII is just as good. Until > then, I'll stick with the 50-year-old solution that works "reasonably" well. > > Christine Rankovic, PhD > Articulation Incorporated > Cambridge, MA 02139 > > A=V*E*F*H > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chas Pavlovic" <cpavlovic(at)yahoo.com> > To: <AUDITORY(at)LISTS.MCGILL.CA> > Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 2:13 AM > Subject: Re: AUDITORY Digest - 23 Jun 2003 to 25 Jun 2003 (#2003-120) > > > > Jont: French and Steiberg have used the same data base > > to derive the AI as did Fletcher and Galt. So the > > answer to your questions is that SII would acount > > perfectly for those data if the appropriate importance > > function is used. But I want to remind you that the > > SII differs from the AI in the following: > > 1. importance function for "average speech" is used > > for general qauntification of a system; importance > > functions for specific speech tests are available too. > > 2. System with reverberation and some other distortion > > are accounted for using the STI methodology. > > 3. we did try to improve both French and Steinberg and > > Fletcher and Galt methodologies by building on the > > last 50 years of scientific work. > > Chas > > > > --- Jont Allen <jba(at)auditorymodels.org> wrote: > > > Chas, > > > > > > How does this software (SII) account for the > > > Fletcher Galt AI data? > > > Hannes should know the answer to this question. > > > > > > Jont > > > > > > Automatic digest processor wrote: > > > > > > > There is one message totalling 44 lines in this > > > issue. > > > > > > > > Topics of the day: > > > > > > > > 1. SII Software -- New Web Site (Speech > > > Intelligibility Index) > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 15:40:31 -0700 > > > > From: Chas Pavlovic <cpavlovic(at)YAHOO.COM> > > > > Subject: SII Software -- New Web Site (Speech > > > Intelligibility Index) > > > > > > > > A new site www.sii.to has been created by > > > members of > > > > the Acoustical Society of America (ASA) Working > > > Group > > > > S3-79, which is in charge of reviewing American > > > > National Standard ANSI S3.5-1997 ("Methods for > > > > Calculation of the Speech Intelligibility Index"). > > > The > > > > site provides software for calculating the Speech > > > > Intelligibility Index (SII), as well as notes > > > relevant > > > > to potential future changes of the standard and > > > the > > > > listing of known errors to be corrected in the > > > next > > > > version of the standard. You are encouraged to > > > > contact us with any information that may help make > > > the > > > > Standard better and easier to use. Also, if you > > > have > > > > other software that can facilitate SII > > > calculations, > > > > we urge you to send it to us for a review and > > > posting > > > > on this site. > > > > This standard defines a method for > > > computing a > > > > physical measure that is highly correlated with > > > the > > > > intelligibility of speech as evaluated by speech > > > > perception tests given a group of talkers and > > > > listeners. This measure is called the Speech > > > > Intelligibility Index, or SII. The SII is > > > calculated > > > > from acoustical measurements of speech and noise. > > > > > > > > Chas Pavlovic, chairman > > > > John Hou > > > > Tammo Houtgast > > > > Harry Levitt > > > > Hannes Muesch > > > > Gerald Studebaker > > > > Pat Zurek > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > > > > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > End of AUDITORY Digest - 23 Jun 2003 to 25 Jun > > > 2003 (#2003-120) > > > > > > > > > *************************************************************** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > http://auditorymodels.org/jba; > > > Till July 18: 908/654-1274h; > > > jba(at)auditorymodels.org; JontAllen(at)ieee.org > > > 382 Forest Hill Way, Mountainside NJ 07092 > > > After July 21: 217/244-9567w; jontalle(at)uiuc.edu > > > Rm 2061, MC 251; Beckman Inst., 405 N. Mathews, > > > Urbana, IL 61801 > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > > http://sbc.yahoo.com >