Subject: Re: Kevin'Semant[r]ic[k]s From: Alexandra Hettergott <a.hettergott(at)WANADOO.FR> Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 23:17:04 +0200Ok, I see well that the tricky one is your part here ... Kevin Austin corrected : >the 'syntactic signals' don't exist in speech, but rather, >it might be that the perceptual and interpretive >systems of individuals extract ... ... and this is exactly *why* such (external) reference systems can potentially be applied to any (homogenous) data collection ..., where 'external' refers to them not being 'naturally' inherent in this (any) data collection but 'conventionally' (hence collectively) assigned ... >I continue to note that _many_ people do not hear the first inversion >triad as being 'an inflection' of the root position chord. For those >who don't hear this, the learning curve is _steep_. There doesn't exist something like a (granted) reciprocal comprehension of every language, either ... Traditional (Western) notation provides a certain universality, yet this does not necessarily imply that it is to be globally understood ... The term 'language' -- referring to a system of standardized symbols and relations to (ideally) being organized to intelligible / meaningful messages -- implies by no means its non-being restricted to a certain insider collective only ... >??mlrhivemr-vwzitligvi big lg gmzD >Want to try retrograde-inversion?? ... these verbal conversions (and argumentative inversions) cannot help it that dodecaphony is one of various potential (substructural) reference systems likely to assign a 'syntax' to a set of data (e.g., a composition analogously conceived) ... >>'Semantics' is due to the reference to some (external) meaning, >As I wrote .. I think the meaning is 'internal' ... Same as above : it is external in that it is not 'naturally' inherent in the acoustic / graphic pattern itself but conventionally assigned and affirmed only(*) -- conventions yet are based on collective agreement with regard to a common objective (relative over a certain period of time) within a certain social group, which again implies an externalization of the subjective view of each negotiating party ... (as 'social collective' generally requires a transcending of the individual ...). (* Note that denominations can as well be quality-related, as e.g., in onomatopoeia). :ah