Subject: Re: Fw: Fw: sursound: The pinna and Ambisonics/cross post From: Alexandra Hettergott <a.hettergott(at)WANADOO.FR> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 00:53:27 +0200From: Peter Lennox <peter(at)LENNOX01.FREESERVE.CO.UK> Re : >mistaking a 'virtual' object for the equivalent 'real' one. ... >For instance, the sound of a mobile phone on tv is almost indistinguishable >from an actual phone (if they are the same tune); ....is this just me? - I find >the same with sirens, tills etc. >Now, when was the last time you mistook the output from your tinny tv >speaker for anything other than a speaker? [...] >So, we could put this this way: "when does a speaker not sound like >itself" - a) when sounding like another, or b) when in a different room. >-I wonder if members of this list can come up with any other examples? Well, as has been the point, the sound of some given (real/virtual) source might yet be similar, however, the actual _location_ of the (r/v) source will greatly differ (e.g., as to directionality, "level of presence") ... -- Sorry, I for my modest part can only report some opposed experiences : (personal) amazement might sometimes rather have been due to the fact that it is (almost) always well distinguishable whether the sound in question does come (directly) from some loudspeaker or yet from another potential (inside/outside) source, even in cases where it does "mix" well with the (context of the) speaker's sound itself (e.g., in pitch, "rhythm", ... ; concerning sirens as well as birds). This should apply, however, and quite naturally, less to case "b)", i.e., when being in a different room. Just for late-night comment ..... Alexandra Hettergott. _______________________ Alexandra Hettergott 1, avenue des Gobelins /bo=EEte 23 F-75005 Paris/France T=E9l/fax: +33-(0)1-43 31 41 27 M=E9l: a.hettergott(at)wanadoo.fr http://perso.wanadoo.fr/a.hettergott/ _,,_ =B2( o o )=B3 /` =B0.. =B4\\ ( (| =B4 | )) \ ` =EF // ... peque=F1os ruidos """" proyectados en el tiempo ...