Re: [AUDITORY] Seeking Advice on Auditory Models for Hearing Loss

Subject: Re: [AUDITORY] Seeking Advice on Auditory Models for Hearing Loss

From: Alexander Brewer <afb8252@xxxxxxx>

Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2024 17:54:05 -0500

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I have used the above cited 3d Tune-In toolkit in prior work, and it does a good job/is quite robust for interactive usage. For programmatic hearing loss simulation, I found myself relying on the various stock audiograms from the Clarity/Cadenza Challenge:

https://github.com/claritychallenge/clarity/blob/main/clarity/utils/audiogram.py

You can see an example of how this might be applied to an audio array here:

https://github.com/hyve9/samplifi/blob/main/samplifi.py#L475

Regards,

Xander

On Sat, Dec 14, 2024 at 12:42 AM Richard F. Lyon <0000030301ff4bce-dmarc-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Consider CARFAC v2 for this. See paper https://arxiv.org/abs/2404.17490

It's free, open-source, well documented, small, efficient, in multiple languages, and can model sensorineural hearing loss via reduction of OHC function. We have a v3 to release soon that can also model synaptopathy.

Dick

On Thu, Dec 12, 2024 at 11:14 PM Sathish Kumar <sathish.sreeni58@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Dear members of the auditory list,
I've recently been working on behavioral auditory source localization performance in hearing aid users. To support my behavioral findings, I am exploring computational auditory models for various configurations of hearing loss.

Through the review of the literature, I found that the direction-of-arrival models proposed by Dietz et al. (2011) and Kayser et al. (2015) are suitable for my experiment where the interpretation based on pre-estimated IPD-to-azimuth mappings with respect to Interaural Coherence and probability distributions. However, both of these models do not account for hearing loss characteristics.

I would greatly appreciate suggestions for other auditory models that might be suitable for my purpose. Additionally, I am wondering whether I can replace the cochlear and basilar membrane processing steps in Dietz et al. (2011) with the hearing loss models. If anyone has experience with this approach, I would be grateful for your advice.

Thank you in advance for your suggestions!!

Best regards,
--
Sathish Kumar
PhD Research Scholar
Department of Audiology and SLP
Kasturba Medical College (MAHE), Mangalore
Mob: 9789447666 || E-mail: sathish.sreeni58@xxxxxxxxx