Re: [AUDITORY] Recap: Origin of the 'Bregman picture'?

[Koichi MORI <kmori@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Dear Fabian,

The picture is a cute one. Thank you for making it universally available with CC-BY.
However, the modeled "ears" seem to lack the structures corresponding to the external ears and the tonotopic organization of the inner ear along the basilar membrane.
Without them the modeled ears are more like reptilian than mammalian, which may explain the difficulty of scene analysis with those two short channels and the two small square handkerchiefs. :-)
And the distance between the channels is most likely too small for the expected detection ranges of events.
Good modeling is difficult in general, but the picture makes the relevant factors of auditory scene analysis very visible and gives a good opportunity for thought experiments.

Best, Koichi

Brinkmann, Fabian, Dr. wrote on 2020/06/24 18:23:
> Hi Chris,
>
> my humble friend who drew it wanted to stay anonym. I guess for referencing, you can either take my thesis (https://doi.org/10.14279/depositonce-8510, page 3) or reference as 'CC-BY, anonymous artist'. I attached a high res version for printing.
>
> Could you send me a copy of the chapter when it's finished? I'd like to show it to my friend to let her know her work is appreciated :)
>
> Best, Fabian
>
> On 6/22/2020 15:37, Krzysztof Basiński wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I’m Chris, I’m a researcher from Gdańsk, Poland. I’m currently working on a book chapter on neural bases of auditory perception and I would like to use the picture you posted some time age on the AUDITORY list. Would that be okay? Could you provide the name of the person who drew it so I can give credit where it’s due?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Chris
> >
> >
> > --
> > Krzysztof Basiński, PhD
> > Assistant Professor
> > Department of Psychology
> > Medical University of Gdańsk, Poland
> > http://mug.edu.pl < http://quarantine.tu-berlin.de:32224/?dmVyPTEuMDAxJiY3NzkyNjc1NTRiMzYzNmI1ZD01RUYwQjQyMV81OTE4XzE4ODExXzEmJjM4ODA1NTI4ZDY3MmIxNj0xMjIyJiZ1cmw9aHR0cCUzQSUyRiUyRm11ZyUyRWVkdSUyRXBs> | http://kbas.gumed.edu.pl < http://quarantine.tu-berlin.de:32224/?dmVyPTEuMDAxJiY3NzkyNjc1NTRiMzYzNmIzYz01RUYwQjQyMV81OTE4XzE4ODExXzEmJjQ4ZTU4MTk4ZTY3NjgwMz0xMjIyJiZ1cmw9aHR0cCUzQSUyRiUyRmtiYXMlMkVndW1lZCUyRWVkdSUyRXBs>
> >
> > > On 27 Feb 2019, at 22:44, Brinkmann, Fabian <fabian.brinkmann@xxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:fabian.brinkmann@xxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear List,
> > >
> > > thanks for the replies - also off list. Here’s a quick recap and a free version of the picture that a friend of mine drew (CC-BY 4.0 licensed).
> > >
> > > Fell free to use it with a reference to Bregmans book, chapter 1, p. 5-6 (citation below). The original picture was printed in old editions of Goldstein's Sensation and Perception text book (at least: German version of Goldstein, 4th edition, 1997, Spektrum. Page 352, Figure 9.1., and fifth edition, 1999, Figure 12.1, p. 350), but is not included in the 9th edition and probably also not in the 10th.
> > >
> > > I’d be grateful for a shaded or colored version of my friends picture. If anyone who liked to use it has decent Gimp/Photoshop skills (and time) - I’d be happy to provide a high-res version for this purpose :)
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Fabian
> > >
> > > ----
> > >
> > > “Imagine you are on the edge of a lake and a friend challenges you to play a game. The game is: Your friend digs two narrow channels up from the side of the lake. Each is a few feet long and a few inches wide and they are spaced a few feet apart. Halfway up each one, your friend stretches a handkerchief and fastens it to the sides of the channel. As waves reach the side of the lake they travel up to the channels and cause the two handkerchiefs to go into motion. You are allowed to look only 
> > > at the handkerchiefs and from their motions to answer a series of queistions: How many boats are there on the lake and where are they? Which is the most powerful one? Which one is closer? Is the wind blowing? Has any large object been dropped suddenly into the lake? Solving this problem seems impossible, but it is a strict analogy to the problem faced by our auditory system.”
> > >
> > > <BregmanLake.jpg>
> > >
> > > > On 22. Feb 2019, at 18:49, Ciocca, Valter (AUDI) <vciocca@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:vciocca@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I do not know about the picture, but the analogy is from Al Bregman (which is why you may have heard it being referenced to his book).
> > > > Best,
> > > > Valter
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > On 20-02-2019, at 11:57 AM, Andreas Widmann <widmann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:widmann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > was also pointed to Goldstein’s ‘Sensation and perception’ where I couldn't find it neither.
> > > > > It appears in the German version of Goldstein, 4th edition, 1997, Spektrum. Page 352, Figure 9.1. There are no image credits for the figure.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best,
> > > > > Andreas
> > > > >
> > > > > > Am 19.02.2019 um 12:35 schrieb Brinkmann, Fabian <fabian.brinkmann@xxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:fabian.brinkmann@xxxxxxxxxxxx>>:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dear List,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > does anyone know the origin of the attached picture? It is usually referenced to Albert Bregman’s work on auditory scene analysis, however, I fail to find it in his book. I was also pointed to Goldstein’s ‘Sensation and perception’ where I couldn't find it neither.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Best
> > > > > > Fabian
> > > > > >
> > > > > > <Bregman_ASA.jpg>



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