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Re: [AUDITORY] Moving the AUDITORY list?



Dear Dan,

thanks for putting all the effort into maintaining this mailing list. We all highly appreciate your work.
I can understand your motivation, but must say that I'm with Peter here.

In addition, moving to a propriatary solution and giving up control over it will make it more difficult later on to move back to a free list server under our own control. Should Google at some point start to ask for money or change their policies or give us any other reason to move back, there is probably no good way of migrating the mailing list data. Google is well known for collecting data, not for letting it go. ;)

My 2¢ here: I would highly favor a mailman list running on an EAA, university, or any other server from a community member over a Google service.


Kind regards,
Christian

Am 20. Oktober 2018 12:27:07 MESZ schrieb "Peter P." <peterparker@xxxxxxxxxxxx>:
Hi Dan,

i would second a move to a more recent mailing list software such as GNU mailman. I would disagree with a move to a google product as that company already has a too big information monopoly and because information should be kept free and accessible without violoations of privacy.
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Groups#Criticism for an example
of that company's its search policy shortcomings.

McGill runs mailman installations in multiple places already, eg.
https://www.mcgill.ca/bic/mailman/listinfo/minc-users
but I am not sure if the psychology department does.

CIRMMT has a mailman installation
http://lists.music.mcgill.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cirmmt-news
who might even host auditory, who knows?

best, Peter


* Dan Ellis <dan.ellis@xxxxxxxxx> [2018-10-20 06:09]:
Dear List -

Al Bregman created the AUDITORY list in 1992, and I took over as the
administrator about a year later. A lot has changed in Information and
Communication Technologies since then, but the LISTSERV behind AUDITORY has
remained largely unchanged. In 2000 I home-spun a custom web interface (in
Tcl!) to sidestep the manual edits I had been doing until then, and it's
still what we use, running on my old lab's machine at Columbia. That
system is also showing its age.

As you may remember, earlier this year McGill blocked external web access
to the Listserv as a security measure, eliminating the modest interface
modernizations that had been added to Listserv since the advent of the
world wide web. Many of you have since been caught out by the "confirmation
link" that you receive in response to posting, but which no longer works.
Just this morning I found out (after 25 years!) how to change the text of
the confirmation message to eliminate this egregious misdirect.

However, it got me thinking about the future of AUDITORY. In particular,
the current www.auditory.org machine at Columbia won't last for ever, and
my leverage there has declined since I moved to Google. I wonder if we
should move the whole list to a more modern platform? I would of course
make sure the archives were preserved.

To me, Google Groups seems like the most obvious choice, but perhaps my
perspective is skewed. What do you think about the idea of moving off the
McGill listserv, and do you have other suggestions for a good replacement?

Best,

DAn.

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