Re: [AUDITORY] Offstage instruments

Subject: Re: [AUDITORY] Offstage instruments

From: David Jackson Morris <dmorris@xxxxxxxxx>

Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2017 10:39:01 +0000

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Thread-topic: Offstage instruments

Although I can see where Pierre is going, categorically 4'33" might not make the cut. You might want to add Bernstein's Mass and Ravel's Daphnis and Chloe to the list as both have offstage choruses.

David Morris

From: AUDITORY - Research in Auditory Perception [AUDITORY@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] on behalf of Pierre Divenyi [pdivenyi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
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Subject: Re: Offstage instruments

I would definitely add John Cage's 4'33" .

Pierre Divenyi

On 9/15/17 1:02 AM, Victor Rosi wrote:

Mahler's 1st symphony : Offstage trumpets in the first movement
Mahler's 2nd symphony : Offstage brass ensemble (horns, trumpets) and timpani in the last movement

Alpen sinfonie (R. Strauss) : Horn ensemble in the third part (The Ascent /Der Anstieg)

You also have this kind of effects in Opera's such as Madama Butterfly (G. Puccini) : in the second Act "Coro a bocca chiusa" there is a viola d'amore playing with a choir offstage.

I hope I helped, i'll try to find other examples.

Good luck and keep us updated !

Victor ROSI

2017-09-15 1:04 GMT+02:00 Niels Christian Hansen <nch@xxxxxxxxxxxx>:

Dear collective wisdom (with apologies for cross-posting),

For a research project at Ohio State University, School of Music, we are currently assembling a database of musical pieces in which composers call for one or more instruments to be played "offstage".

Classic examples from the Western symphonic repertoire include: (1) the offstage trumpet in Ludwig van Beethoven's Leonore Overtures Nos. 2 & 3, (2) the offstage oboe in the third movement ("Scène aux champs") from Hector Berlioz' Symphonie Fantastique, and (3) the offstage female choir in "Neptune" from Gustav Holst's The Planets.

We would be very grateful for your kind help in drawing our attention to as many other examples as possible that you may be aware of!

Thanks in advance,
Niels Chr. Hansen & David Huron

Niels Chr. Hansen (PhD, MSc, MMus) | Postdoctoral Fellow in Music Cognition | Cognitive and Systematic Musicology Laboratory<http://musiccog.ohio-state.edu/> | School of Music<https://music.osu.edu/> | Ohio State University<https://www.osu.edu/> | hansen.491@xxxxxxx<mailto:hansen.491@xxxxxxx>