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Re: USB sound cards

Yes, adding a resistor will tend to increase, not decrease, frequency dependence of the voltage across the load.  But that voltage may not be the key variable; power might be more important.  Either way, it's hard to predict which will "sound better".


On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 4:35 AM, Anders Tornvig Christensen <atc@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Interesting discussions. I would be curious to do the impedance test Richard suggests, to dampen the headphone resonance. But if you consider the setup a simple voltage divider between source and load impedance, wouldn't you predict the opposite result? That a relatively bigger source resistance RS increases voltage fluctuations across the load impedance ZL (and decreases the overall voltage).


The electroacoustic transfer function from V to Pa is unchanged.

The situation is different if you have a current source


I guess, in this case, you would aim for just one but either one of ZL and RS to be large relative to the other.

Best, Anders

From: AUDITORY - Research in Auditory Perception [AUDITORY@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] on behalf of Richard F. Lyon [dicklyon@xxxxxxx]
Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 7:09 AM
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Subject: Re: USB sound cards

It seems not unlikely that headphones (or speakers) might have some reactive elements and resonances, such that some added resistance in the driving circuit would lead to higher damping and a more even response.  Someone should do a test, starting with impedance measurements of various headphones to see if they have identifiable resonances.  It might turn out that adding resistance is a good thing, for scientific perceptual experiments or otherwise.  I wouldn't be surprised either way.


On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Steve Beet <stevebeet@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
This may be a red herring, but I've seen some self-proclaimed "audiophile"
publications which claim that when headphones are driven from a resistive
source impedance of a few tens of Ohms, they "sound better" than when they
are driven from an ideal (very low impedance) voltage source. As far as I
recall, these statements were referring to listening tests of
professional-quality headphones with nominal impedances of 200 Ohms.

These publications didn't present any analytical measurements to suggest why
this might be the case, but the output resistance added to many headphone
amps might not be there solely to prevent damage or distortion - it might
also be to persuade audiophiles that they're getting the best sound quality.

For music produced and mixed to be listened to via loudspeakers, it may be
that adding a series resistor might indeed make the headphones sound more
like the original mixing engineer or producer intended, but for scientific
perceptual experiments I can't see any advantage in artificially increasing
the resistance.

Steve Beet

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From: AUDITORY - Research in Auditory Perception
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Sent: 11 December 2014 17:03
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Subject: Re: USB sound cards

However, there *is* a problem getting low output impedance as well.  The
native design of modern amplifier stages has essentially zero output
impedance due to negative feedback (milliohms or less). That means that if
you connect such an amp to a low-impedance load, the current draw can be
high... high enough to damage the output stages, or at least cause massive
distortion as they go into protective current limiting.  Since these are for
consumer use, where anyone can plug in most anything that fits the jack,
manufacturer's typically add some output impedance.