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Please could you change my contact details and email address to this:

Marian Brandreth
Principal Clinical Scientist
Medical Physics & Clinical Engineering

Queen's Medical Centre Campus
Nottingham University Hospitals NHS Trust
Derby Road
Nottingham
NG7 2UH
Email: marian.brandreth@xxxxxxxxxx



Previous contact was the following;
Marian Brandreth
Senior Clinical Scientist (Audiology)
National Institute for Health Research Nottingham Hearing Biomedical Research Unit
Ropewalk House, 113 The Ropewalk, Nottingham NG1 5DU
t: +44 (0)115 823 2614 (direct) | t: +44 (0)115 823 2600 (reception) | w: www.hearing.nihr.ac.uk


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Topics of the day:

  1. Note durations in music

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Date:    Sun, 16 Jun 2013 01:00:22 -0400
From:    Kevin Austin <kevin.austin@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Note durations in music

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Having pondered the question and the responses for a few days=2C I still=
 am not clear on the core issue=2E For me this is partly tied up with th=
e lack of definitions of the term =22note=22=2E In my classes I try to a=
void the word without specific context to delimit the meaning=2E


There are two =5Bor more=5D possible interpretations here=3A
 =5B1=5D onset time to onset time
 =5B2=5D duration of the sounding element
 =5B2a=5D adding the duration of any non-sounding element=5Bs=5D -- rest=
s or silences


There is not a great deal of solo monophonic music in the classical west=
ern music repertoire compared with the quantity of music that has more t=
han one pitch sounding at one time=2E


Within the solo monophonic repertoire=2C composed music which is beyond =
being a very simple tune=2C eg God Save the Queen played on a flute=2C i=
s very often working to create the illusion of more than one pitch at a =
time=2E To see this in a very simple / complex example=2C take the Bach =
Prelude in C Major from book One of the Well-Tempered Clavier=2E It can =
be played with one finger=2E It can also be heard as a five-voice homoph=
onic composition=2E


Since the well-known repertoire is so small=2C it is likely a matter of =
going to some much more relatively obscure sources=2C such as Johann Qua=
ntz
http=3A//imslp=2Eorg/wiki/Fantasies=5Fand=5FPreludes=5Ffor=5FFlute=5F(Qu=
antz=2C=5FJohann=5FJoachim)
or other solo =E9tudes=2E Being technical studies=2C they may not contai=
n the kind of information that you are looking for=2E


Another approach is to take the instrument in the context of being a sol=
oist in an ensemble=2E Depending upon the degree of precision you need=2C=
 determining the start of the onset can also be a problem=2C the sound o=
f a flute or trumpet for example having elements in common with determin=
ing the start-time of a c-v syllable such as =22too=22=2E


Can you provide a little more precision=2E


Thanks


Kevin
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=3E Dear list=2C
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=3E I=92m trying to find papers which report measurements of two aspects=
 of note duration in solo instrumental monophonic music (e=2Eg=2E=2C rec=
ordings of solo violin=2C cello=2C trumpet=2C clarinet=2C flute=2C etc=2E=
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notes simultaneously)=2E
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=3E 1=2E The average duration of notes in a piece
=3E  =

=3E 2=2E A histogram of note durations in the piece
=3E  =

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=3E  =

=3E Thus for example this solo cello prelude by JS Bach last about 4 min=
utes and contains N notes (anybody know=3F)=2C so the average note durat=
ion in this piece is about N/240 notes/sec=2E =

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=3E If one could measure the duration of each note in this recording=2C =
then one could plot the histogram of note durations in the piece=2E
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=3E Is anyone aware of such data for any solo monophonic instrument=3F M=
usical style doesn=92t matter (can be classical=2C folk=2C etc=2E)=2E =

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=3E Thanks=2C
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=3E Ani Patel
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=3E Aniruddh D=2E Patel
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=3E Associate Professor
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=3E Dept=2E of Psychology
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=3E Tufts University
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=3E 490 Boston Ave=2E
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=3E Medford=2C MA 02115
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=3E a=2Epatel=40tufts=2Eedu
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=3Cp class=3D=22MsoNormal=22=3EThus for example this solo cello prelude =
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=3Cp class=3D=22MsoNormal=22=3EIf one could measure the duration of each=
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=3Cp class=3D=22MsoNormal=22=3EIs anyone aware of such data for any solo=
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