I found a couple online, but they seem to be developed more as games and are not feasible for experimental use. I am looking for something that allows the experimenter to control the number of trials, and scores congruent and incongruent trials separately.
Thank you in advance for any suggestions.
Vidya Krull, Ph.D., CCC-A
Postdoctoral Fellow
Audiology Research Laboratory
Department of Speech and Hearing Sciences
Indiana University
Phone: (812) 856-1186 (work)
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Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 10:39:33 +0100
From: Dan Stowell <dan.stowell@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Sound file formats for journal
> The question is then articulated as what file formats should be
supported for longterm storage, and which for transmission purposes?
Transmission formats could / would change over time, but the 'raw' would
always be resident in the files.
As I noted before, the International Association of Sound and
Audiovisual Archives seems like a reasonable body to look to for the
archival side of this... their guidelines are here:
<http://www.iasa-web.org/tc04/audio-preservation> Here's the page where
they recommend WAV: <http://www.iasa-web.org/tc04/ingest-format>
Dan
On 15/09/12 07:15, Kevin Austin wrote:
> A somewhat parallel discussion recently took place on the cec-cnference list stimulated by the announcement / speculation that Sibelius [music notation program] might cease development. To me, what became clear [again] is that the file format needs to remain "independent" of 'interpretation' in order to remain viable for the future. I have several boxes of disks with files which cannot be opened, some less than 15 years old.
>
> Given that bandwidth and memory are no longer major issues in computing, it seems to me that a 'raw' [equivalent] file format may be best to survive a couple of decades. The file, while large, would be independent of the program which would compress / expand it for transmission. mp3 was created to reduce file size in an era when bandwidth was an issue. I recall discussions as to whether the CEC [Canadian Electroacoustic Community] Newsletter and its jukebox [sonus.ca] should make files available in any other format than mono 8bit/12kHz sampling. The decision was to store the 'master' file as 16/44.1 stereo, and convert to 8/12 mono when the file was to be sent to the modem. [A high speed device that would transfer up to 2400 bits/sec.]
>
> With the later decision to store the files as 16/44.1 and stream at 320 kb/sec, the original files could simply be 'switched over' [or even made available] when the bandwidth problem was solved. For my classwork, the minimum acceptable audio format is 24/48kHz, with most students preferring to work at 32/96kHz, this in a way approximating a 'raw' format for audio http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raw_image_format.
>
> The question is then articulated as what file formats should be supported for longterm storage, and which for transmission purposes? Transmission formats could / would change over time, but the 'raw' would always be resident in the files.
>
> Kevin
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 2012, Sep 13, at 10:54 AM, Robert Zatorre wrote:
>
>> Dear list
>>
>> In an effort to enhance the Frontiers in Auditory Cognitive Neuroscience journal, we would like to enable sounds files to be uploaded for reviewers to be able to hear the stimuli used in a given experiment. Eventually we would also like to have a means of having these sound files embedded directly into the online journal article so that readers can hear the stimuli used. (Of course this could apply not only to stimuli, but also to other sound files that are part of the study, such as recorded vocalizations, speech or musical sounds produced under some experimental conditions, and so forth)
>>
>> My question for you all is what file formats do you think we would need to support? The two obvious ones are wav and mp3, but perhaps there are others that you may think are important or that have some advantages that should also be considered.
>>
>> Thank you for your thoughts.
>>
>> PS feel free to send me your comments directly
>>
>> -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
>>
>> Robert J. Zatorre, Ph.D.
>> Montreal Neurological Institute
>> 3801 University St.
>> Montreal, QC Canada H3A 2B4
>> phone: 1-514-398-8903
>> fax: 1-514-398-1338
>> e-mail: robert.zatorre@xxxxxxxxx
>> web site: www.zlab.mcgill.ca
--
Dan Stowell
Postdoctoral Research Assistant
Centre for Digital Music
Queen Mary, University of London
Mile End Road, London E1 4NS
http://www.elec.qmul.ac.uk/digitalmusic/people/dans.htm
http://www.mcld.co.uk/
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Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 10:57:44 -0500
From: Jont Allen <jontalle@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: AUDITORY Digest - 14 Sep 2012 to 15 Sep 2012 (#2012-229)
All,
Here is a very simple rule to follow which easily answers the question
of file formats:
Dont use a proprietary format. Only use a format that has support in the
open source community (i.e., Linux/unix). I'm not saying you must use
Linux, rather I'm saying make sure somebody can run open-source to read
and write that file. Then your safe far into the future.
Save your files in an ISO format, such as on a standard DVD. Best to
save it to the internet, someplace safe.
Be aware of the life-time of the storage medium (dont use magnetic tape,
or floppy drives ;-)
Jont Allen
On 09/15/2012 11:01 PM, AUDITORY automatic digest system wrote:
> There are 4 messages totalling 741 lines in this issue.
>
> Topics of the day:
>
> 1. Sound file formats for journal 2. Longcat AudioStage (2) 3. Cosyne
> 2013 Reminder: Call for Workshop Proposals
>
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>
> Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 02:15:59 -0400 From: Kevin Austin
> <kevin.austin@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: Sound file formats for
> journal
>
> A somewhat parallel discussion recently took place on the
> cec-cnference list stimulated by the announcement / speculation that
> Sibelius [music notation program] might cease development. To me,
> what became clear [again] is that the file format needs to remain
> "independent" of 'interpretation' in order to remain viable for the
> future. I have several boxes of disks with files which cannot be
> opened, some less than 15 years old.
>
> Given that bandwidth and memory are no longer major issues in
> computing, it seems to me that a 'raw' [equivalent] file format may
> be best to survive a couple of decades. The file, while large, would
> be independent of the program which would compress / expand it for
> transmission. mp3 was created to reduce file size in an era when
> bandwidth was an issue. I recall discussions as to whether the CEC
> [Canadian Electroacoustic Community] Newsletter and its jukebox
> [sonus.ca] should make files available in any other format than mono
> 8bit/12kHz sampling. The decision was to store the 'master' file as
> 16/44.1 stereo, and convert to 8/12 mono when the file was to be sent
> to the modem. [A high speed device that would transfer up to 2400
> bits/sec.]
>
> With the later decision to store the files as 16/44.1 and stream at
> 320 kb/sec, the original files could simply be 'switched over' [or
> even made available] when the bandwidth problem was solved. For my
> classwork, the minimum acceptable audio format is 24/48kHz, with most
> students preferring to work at 32/96kHz, this in a way approximating
> a 'raw' format for audio
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raw_image_format.
>
> The question is then articulated as what file formats should be
> supported for longterm storage, and which for transmission purposes?
> Transmission formats could / would change over time, but the 'raw'
> would always be resident in the files.
>
> Kevin
>
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Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 15:11:21 -0400
From: Al Bregman <al.bregman@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Sound file formats for journal
Dear list,
What people seem to be forgetting in this discussion of wave formats
is that the sounds that are being discussed are those that were used
in experiments. Therefore, to the extent possible, the sounds should
be uploaded and preserved in the exact form in which they appeared in
the experiment. For example, if a particular version of MP3 was used,
and its compression algorithm led to an artifact in the experiment,
the reader would want to be able to discover this, by analyzing the
signal in the MP3 form in which it was actually used, and could decide
whether this might have influenced the result.
However, in the ideal case, the sound accompanying the article would
be a very high resolution recording made at the level of the
transducers that presented the sound to the listeners. This would
capture any distortions due to either the sound-producing algorithm or
the sound reproduction system. But if this were required, it might be
asking too much of the author.
To summarize, If a 24 bit, 96 Kilosample/sec version of the nominal
stimulus were submitted to illustrate an experiment in which the
listener actually heard a lower resolution sound, this would be
deceptive.
Cheers,
Al
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On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 5:39 AM, Dan Stowell
<dan.stowell@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> The question is then articulated as what file formats should be supported
>> for longterm storage, and which for transmission purposes? Transmission
>> formats could / would change over time, but the 'raw' would always be
>> resident in the files.
>
> As I noted before, the International Association of Sound and Audiovisual
> Archives seems like a reasonable body to look to for the archival side of
> this... their guidelines are here:
> <http://www.iasa-web.org/tc04/audio-preservation> Here's the page where they
> recommend WAV: <http://www.iasa-web.org/tc04/ingest-format>
>
> Dan
>
>
>
> On 15/09/12 07:15, Kevin Austin wrote:
>>
>> A somewhat parallel discussion recently took place on the cec-cnference
>> list stimulated by the announcement / speculation that Sibelius [music
>> notation program] might cease development. To me, what became clear [again]
>> is that the file format needs to remain "independent" of 'interpretation' in
>> order to remain viable for the future. I have several boxes of disks with
>> files which cannot be opened, some less than 15 years old.
>>
>> Given that bandwidth and memory are no longer major issues in computing,
>> it seems to me that a 'raw' [equivalent] file format may be best to survive
>> a couple of decades. The file, while large, would be independent of the
>> program which would compress / expand it for transmission. mp3 was created
>> to reduce file size in an era when bandwidth was an issue. I recall
>> discussions as to whether the CEC [Canadian Electroacoustic Community]
>> Newsletter and its jukebox [sonus.ca] should make files available in any
>> other format than mono 8bit/12kHz sampling. The decision was to store the
>> 'master' file as 16/44.1 stereo, and convert to 8/12 mono when the file was
>> to be sent to the modem. [A high speed device that would transfer up to 2400
>> bits/sec.]
>>
>> With the later decision to store the files as 16/44.1 and stream at 320
>> kb/sec, the original files could simply be 'switched over' [or even made
>> available] when the bandwidth problem was solved. For my classwork, the
>> minimum acceptable audio format is 24/48kHz, with most students preferring
>> to work at 32/96kHz, this in a way approximating a 'raw' format for audio
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raw_image_format.
>>
>> The question is then articulated as what file formats should be supported
>> for longterm storage, and which for transmission purposes? Transmission
>> formats could / would change over time, but the 'raw' would always be
>> resident in the files.
>>
>> Kevin
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2012, Sep 13, at 10:54 AM, Robert Zatorre wrote:
>>
>>> Dear list
>>>
>>> In an effort to enhance the Frontiers in Auditory Cognitive Neuroscience
>>> journal, we would like to enable sounds files to be uploaded for reviewers
>>> to be able to hear the stimuli used in a given experiment. Eventually we
>>> would also like to have a means of having these sound files embedded
>>> directly into the online journal article so that readers can hear the
>>> stimuli used. (Of course this could apply not only to stimuli, but also to
>>> other sound files that are part of the study, such as recorded
>>> vocalizations, speech or musical sounds produced under some experimental
>>> conditions, and so forth)
>>>
>>> My question for you all is what file formats do you think we would need
>>> to support? The two obvious ones are wav and mp3, but perhaps there are
>>> others that you may think are important or that have some advantages that
>>> should also be considered.
>>>
>>> Thank you for your thoughts.
>>>
>>> PS feel free to send me your comments directly
>>>
>>> -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
>>>
>>> Robert J. Zatorre, Ph.D.
>>> Montreal Neurological Institute
>>> 3801 University St.
>>> Montreal, QC Canada H3A 2B4
>>> phone: 1-514-398-8903
>>> fax: 1-514-398-1338
>>> e-mail: robert.zatorre@xxxxxxxxx
>>> web site: www.zlab.mcgill.ca
>
>
> --
> Dan Stowell
> Postdoctoral Research Assistant
> Centre for Digital Music
> Queen Mary, University of London
> Mile End Road, London E1 4NS
> http://www.elec.qmul.ac.uk/digitalmusic/people/dans.htm
> http://www.mcld.co.uk/
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Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 21:24:00 -0400
From: Kevin Austin <kevin.austin@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Sound file formats for journal
Hmm ... DVD? And play them on my MacBook Air?
Kevin
On 2012, Sep 16, at 11:57 AM, Jont Allen wrote:
> All,
>
> ...
> Save your files in an ISO format, such as on a standard DVD. Best to save it to the internet, someplace safe.
>
> Be aware of the life-time of the storage medium (dont use magnetic tape, or floppy drives ;-)
>
> Jont Allen
>
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