Re: exploitation of "Auditory List" as a free "Article Request" list

[Tom Barker <thomas.barker@xxxxxx>]

I simply hadn't thought to do that, it is a good suggestion for the future.

Tom

On 06/08/12 15:22, Andreas Widmann wrote:
> Why not requesting a (PDF) reprint directly from the author(s)? It was not so challenging to find the senior author's mail address by a Google search.
>
> Best,
> Andreas
>
> Am 06.08.2012 um 14:09 schrieb Tom Barker <thomas.barker@xxxxxx>:
>
>> Brian's position is understandable. Creating too much noise from constant article requests reduces the ability for useful discussion on the list. 
>>
>> From a selfish point of view, it is simply more efficient to request an unavailable (on my university's library subscription) article here, and receive responses within a few minutes, than to travel to the other university or public library in my city and work out how the request system works there.
>>
>> There is also the (serious) issue of intellectual property rights. I personally feel uncomfortable with a request for a PDF of an entire book here. Clearly, in most jurisdictions, photocopying an entire book is not legal. This list is a useful resource, and it is unfair on the list owners (located in the US) to subject them to any liability for the lists misuse in this regard.
>>
>> I am not sure about the general case of copying of a single journal or conference paper, but in the UK I believe it was acceptable to copy a single book chapter, conference paper or journal article within the University. Electronic transmission might be treated differently, but I would advise against anyone fulfilling requests directly to the list, instead posting directly to the address of anyone requesting the article. 
>>
>> Requests for articles may raise general awareness of interesting publications, and this is definitely one benefit from posting requests here.    
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> On 06/08/12 14:38, Marcelo Caetano wrote:
>>> Dear Brian and members of the list,
>>> I disagree with Brian's characterization of article requests as "rather excessive use of this list for obtaining articles". Personally, I have a hunch that the frequent article requests might better reflect flaws in the library system (amongs others) rather than plain laziness.
>>>  
>>> Unfortunately, I don't have data to confirm this impression (does anyone?). However, we usually see immediate responses to article requests made on the list, in opposition to the alternatives Brian points out. Ultimately, I feel that this discussion is very in line with ongoing debates on issues about intellectual and property rights, and I think we all could very much benefit from actively engaging in it.
>>>  
>>> Marcelo Caetano
>>>
>>> De: Brian FG Katz <brian.katz@xxxxxxxx>
>>> Para: AUDITORY@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>>> Enviadas: Segunda-feira, 6 de Agosto de 2012 11:57
>>> Assunto: [AUDITORY] exploitation of "Auditory List" as a free "Article Request" list
>>>
>>> Dear list members,
>>>
>>> I would like to bring to people's attention the rather excessive use of this
>>> list for obtaining articles. While I understand that some articles may be
>>> hard to find, being old, or in obscure journals, the constant flow of
>>> requests for articles that are clearly available, albeit for a fee, is
>>> something of an abuse of the list and also the library system. 
>>>
>>> Student especially should profit from the systems in place at their
>>> respective institutions, and if need be actually go to a library. Many
>>> libraries also offer article retrieval services, which should be *fully*
>>> exploited before make a global request to the open community. 
>>>
>>> Students are also encouraged to contact the authors directly to obtain
>>> difficult articles, as a means of expressing interest, and possibly opening
>>> a dialog. 
>>>
>>> Only as a last resort should the list be used as a resource for "freely"
>>> obtaining your bibliographic references. 
>>>
>>> Cordially,
>>>
>>> -Brian FG Katz
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