Hi Bruno,
I don't think there are any data suggesting that people cannot 
distinguish interval durations at fast rates. The question is how 
large the differences must be to be detected, and how the magnitude 
of that difference depends on rate. There is no "breakdown" of 
discrimination at any rate.
Yes, thanks for pointing that out so clearly. After reading through the
literature this morning I realized that I got something wrong there...
It is unclear what your listeners had to do. You are talking about "a
 big effect of rate on listeners' perception of speech rhythm", but 
what does this have to do with interval discrimination? What exactly
 was the effect of rate on perceived speech rhythm, and how did 
interval durations vary?
Well, sorry, it was indeed vague. I was not sure to what level of
detail readers on this list would be interested in this. I was 
referring to recent theories of speech rhythm claiming that rhythm 
classes (e.g. stress- and syllable-timed languages) can be 
distinguished by the listener based on the durational variability of 
consonantal (c) and vocalic (v) intervals (e.g. work by Frank Ramus or 
Esther Grabe). It was
demonstrated that syllable-timed languages for example have 
proportionally less c- and v-interval variability than stress-timed 
languages and that this information is processed by the listener to 
group languages into traditional rhythmic classes. For two 
syllable-timed (French & Italian; F & I) and two stress-timed 
languages (English & German; E & G) my own  data replicates the 
objective differences nicely. However, I found that because of their 
less complex syllable structure, speakers of syllable-timed languages 
also produce cv-intervals at a far higher rate than stress-timed 
languages.
In a perception experiment I took sentences from French and German and 
turned v-intervals into tones and c-intervals into white noise and 
asked listeners to rate the stimuli according to the 'regularity of 
beep sequences' on a scale form 1 to 10. I left the interpretation of 
'regularity' to the listener and expected that listeners would pick up 
on the proportionally higher c- and v-interval variability in German 
and thus rate these stimuli as the more irregular beep sequences. 
However, results showed very poor correlation between the regularity 
rating and any of a number of c- and v-variability measures but I 
found a strong correlation with cv-rate. So it seems that in my 
experiment listeners interpreted 'regularity' as rate only and did not 
listen for any durational variability within the stimuli.
In order to interpret the results I thought it may help to consult work
that looked at the influence of rate on interval variability 
perception. However, I find my data and method are pretty difficult to 
compare with Friberg & Sundberg and the type of studies mentioned in 
there. If I had pointed out to my listeners to listen out for certain 
types of durational variability I am sure they could have done it 
(Ramus showed that in a way by not allowing rate variability). 
However, the fact that they do not make use of durational variability 
cues when given the choice between rate and variability tells me that 
this may be something they do in speech too when they distinguish 
between languages based on rhythmic cues.
Hope that makes it clearer,
Volker
Best, Bruno
Bruno and Pierre,
thank you so much for your helpful suggestions!
The work on rhythm is more what I am looking for. I found a big 
effect of rate on listeners' perception of speech rhythm. I assume
 that it may have something to do with listeners not being able to
 detect interval variability in speech any more when the intervals
 under investigation are shorter (typically the case in so called 
'syllable-timed languages' because they posses simpler phonotactic
 structures). So I am looking for evidence showing at what rate 
interval distinction ability breaks down in rhythmic contexts.
However, all interval durations I am looking at (syllables, c- or 
v-intervals) are well below 200 ms in any language I have collected
 data on, which, judged by the rhythm findings, would mean that 
listeners should not be able to detect durational variability at all 
between any of the speech intervals (when judging duration only!) 
and that can hardly be true. It probably has to do with the
 fact that interval variability in my speech stimuli is much more 
complex and do not fulfill the criterion of isochrony in the way 
they do it in the Friberg & Sundberg study. I am working on an 
explanation...
Best wishes & thanks again, Volker
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Department of Phonetics & Linguistics
University College London
phone: +44 (0)20 7679 5003 (internal: 25003)
www.phon.ucl.ac.uk
www.phonetiklabor.de
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